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GN[North American Ing Masters - 2010 US Go Congress - Round 4 Board 1 -  Mingjiu Jiang 7p vs Eric Lui 7d]PW[Mingjiu Jiang]PB[Eric Lui]WR[7p]BR[7d]DT[2010-08-05]EV[2010 North American Ing Masters]RO[4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Solomon Smilack]C[USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2010 U.S. Go Congress live broadcast of the North American Ing Masters Tournament in Colorado Springs, Colorado, brought to you by the American Go E-Journal, KGS and the American Go Association. Check out our website – www.usgo.org - for the latest Congress reports, photos and game records, as well as go news from around the world.
USGO1 [-\]: This is round 4, board 1.  I'm Solomon Smilack and I will be your game recorder today. 
USGO1 [-\]: While the Ing Foundation is not supporting the tournament this year, the AGA Board decided to honor the past commitments of the Ing Foundation by continuing to call the tournament by the Ing name and by using Ing scoring.
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu and Eric have met twice recently, in both the 2007 US Open and again in the 2008 US Open. Mingjiu won both of those games. 
USGO1 [-\]: Going into this tournament Mingjiu's AGA rating is 9.64, Eric's is 8.62
baltimore [?\]: and live video here: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US&aktie=verander
USGO1 [-\]: Both players are 3-0 after the first three rounds. The winner of this game will go on to face the winner of board 2 (Huiren Yang vs Yongfei Ge) in round 5 for the title.
noemotions [1k\]: this game will be hot
USGO1 [-\]: You can see the current standings, with game records, at http://usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/92
errr: where is kim?
WQ [3k\]: when they gonna play? 
USGO1 [-\]: Eric Lui sometimes plays as Compendium on KGS, as he did for the SPOT1 tournament earlier this year.
USGO1 [-\]: The games are slated to start at 3pm local time (in 10 minutes)
WQ [3k\]: ok
USGO1 [-\]: Some of the players arrived already and hoped to begin early, as the Pair Go tournament begins in only a few hours and many of them are 1/2 of a team for that event.
shouldBdan [6k\]: which board has the strongest players?
kairos [-\]: board 1 always a good idea :)
Athanor [-\]: round 4?
loler [4d\]: what is this
firewolf07 [3k\]: this is my first time catching one of these games before it started
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;B[dc]
;W[pd]C[USGO1 [-\]: I have the feeling that this is going to be a Loud game of very firmly placed stones.
Piggen94 [5k\]: it´s to light on the cam
Piggen94 [5k\]: i can´t see the white stones
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;B[qf]C[MavHunterZ [4k\]: if white goes c6 imma laugh
loler [4d\]: why u want to see the stones
Moppel: me neither
Piggen94 [5k\]: why not?
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;W[nc]
;B[rd]C[MrPopCorn [7k\]: i am happy to watch a big game at hi begining in live !
MrPopCorn [7k\]: thanks usgo
loler [4d\]: r13 
loler [4d\]: plz
Drofund [3k\]: hehe ^^
Toolucky [3d\]: Mingjiu will win this one probably
USGO1 [-\]: baltimore has set up video for this game - http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
MrPopCorn [7k\]: something interresting too is to see when players take time to think
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;W[qh]C[loler [4d\]: i guess b is the younger guy
Piggen94 [5k\]: is 7p = 16d?
Drofund [3k\]: 7p = 7p
Piggen94 [5k\]: how strong is a 7p?
loler [4d\]: 9d
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;B[qc]C[Drofund [3k\]: professional strength
CptCaveman [2d\]: Sometimes you see when the players are thinking, other times its when the presenter is dozing :)
Moppel: 7p =  2p + 5p
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;W[pf]C[Piggen94 [5k\]: i know moppel
USGO1 [-\]: The difference in their rating going into this tournament is only 1.02
LugPaj [2d\]: actually 7p != 2p + 5p
loler [4d\]: 7p strong like a bear
MrPopCorn [7k\]: yes cptCaveman ! Happily, theres eurotv
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;W[pg]C[Drofund [3k\]: why not w r15?
Toolucky [3d\]: Mingjiu is a good teacher, and likes to pretend to be very stern sometimes, very amusing when people take him seriously ;)
MrTortoise [5k\]: sounds on the video is a bit knaackered for me ... same for everyone?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: mingjiu is the guy in black?
Drofund [3k\]: yes
MavHunterZ [4k\]: he seems very impatient
jubjub [3k\]: that camera needs a filter to reduce the glare
USGO1 [-\]: Yes Mingjiu is wearing his gray fleece vest again today.
Drofund [3k\]: you dont need to see the stones there, you can see them here better anyway
Optician [1k\]: sound has little to no quality ;-(
loler [4d\]: what do you want to hear?
loler [4d\]: lol
loler [4d\]: its a go game
Drofund [3k\]: *click!*
Twinn [19k?\]: is it better to play up at P18? or is that alive...?
jubjub [3k\]: mumbling and grumbling
firewolf07 [3k\]: i didn't know games played by such strong played were so casual
Moppel: we even dont need to be here at all but we like to
MrTortoise [5k\]: any conversation
amy2010 [3k\]: wow, Jiang Ming Jiu
USGO1 [-\]: The room is very quiet, except for the rustliing of stones and the beeping of clocks.
USGO1 [-\]: Eric takes a water break...
MavHunterZ [4k\]: lol at the big guy vs the kid in upper left
MavHunterZ [4k\]: it looks so intimidating
amy2010 [3k\]: that shows wt is obviously stronger, i guess
Gleek [2d?\]: Live video of a Go tournament...slightly less boring that watching paint dry
Drofund [3k\]: maybe they'll go eat ramen together in the break.
MavHunterZ [4k\]: i like watching it
Drofund [3k\]: paint or go?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: cause it seems like there is no pressure at all
MavHunterZ [4k\]: go
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;B[ce]C[MavHunterZ [4k\]: ming is just looking around like he is very bored
Optician [1k\]: b likes his corners
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;W[id]C[MrTortoise [5k\]: hah you want to play Mingjiu ... no problem
loler [4d\]: b knows the corner proverb
Drofund [3k\]: that was fast
loler [4d\]: he wont take the last corner
MavHunterZ [4k\]: i like how white is swaying left an right
firewolf07 [3k\]: why to people want the video so much, you get a much better picture of the game on KGS?
dragnforce [8k\]: interesting how mingjiu has almost the same setup as his other game 2 days ago
Moppel: we want to control scribe
MavHunterZ [4k\]: i like how eric is swaying left an right
dragnforce [8k\]: it'll be fun to see how black attacks white's moyo now
MohamedBM [4k?\]: Who's that kid playing in the back against the big dude ? ;)
MavHunterZ [4k\]: is this a  common habit of his?
USGO1 [-\]: @MBM: Against Martin Lebl? 
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;B[jq]C[yougotPWND [7d?\]: oh yeah that's nathan harwit
dragnforce [8k\]: mingjiu attack
yougotPWND [7d?\]: the little kid
MohamedBM [4k?\]: How strong? ;)
yougotPWND [7d?\]: who?
dragnforce [8k\]: d6, or c7?
MohamedBM [4k?\]: The kid
yougotPWND [7d?\]: 2d
USGO1 [-\]: It looks like Nathan Harwit.
yougotPWND [7d?\]: or 3d maybe
MohamedBM [4k?\]: oh nice;)
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;W[po]C[MavHunterZ [4k\]: that guy is huge...i fear for the kid
dragnforce [8k\]: mingjiu must feel confident
yougotPWND [7d?\]: lol don't
yougotPWND [7d?\]: the guy is only 5d max
USGO1 [-\]: Nathan registered as 3d. At the next table is his brother Matthew.
yougotPWND [7d?\]: apparently matthew has an account "Matthew5d"
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;B[gc]C[realDeal [5k\]: is that real mingjiu aka "the sleeping move"?
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;W[pb]C[holynec [?\]: mingjiu will make you do pushups, be warneD!!
yougotPWND [7d?\]: well it is the real mingjiu, but i have no idea what the sleeping move is
yougotPWND [7d?\]: lol @ pushups
holynec [?\]: you will become very buff
yougotPWND [7d?\]: not really
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;B[pc]C[yougotPWND [7d?\]: i only had to do like 20
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;W[oc]C[yougotPWND [7d?\]: since i did not fail many problems
realDeal [5k\]: holy cow! never thought , doing pushups can bring you to 7d?
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;B[mq]C[yougotPWND [7d?\]: lol
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;W[qb]C[Caribe [4k\]: b totally alive there... w trying to scare him only
shouldBdan [6k\]: why dont they play joseki?
loler [4d\]: lol
dragnforce [8k\]: in tournament matches joseki isn't normal
maciek [2d\]: all they play is joseki
spook [1d\]: is g17 small ?
loler [4d\]: they play joseki
dragnforce [8k\]: gotta make trick moves to baffle your opponent
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;B[rb]
;W[ra]C[Drofund [3k\]: joseki against the rules.
shouldBdan [6k\]: is b dead?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: i really dont like whites situation right now
MrTortoise [5k\]: i think b is dead
shouldBdan [6k\]: whats white's situation?
holynec [?\]: is b BBW?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: that left side is intimidating
Caribe [4k\]: r19
maciek [2d\]: black group will die soon:)
shouldBdan [6k\]: left side ez
dragnforce [8k\]: if b dead in top right, mingjiu wins
MrTortoise [5k\]: otherwise s19 is v small
MXHero [3d\]: q15?
dragnforce [8k\]: if b not dead in top right mingjiu wins
profan [6k?\]: ko?
realDeal [5k\]: they both know all the joseki, so they would be predictable
Caribe [4k\]: r9 r16 t17
Gochu: how could b ignore here? even not dead, still big
yougotPWND [7d?\]: wow it would be epic if mingjiu wins in 25 moves
MrTortoise [5k\]: dont think 7p woul dplay it otherwise
firewolf07 [3k\]: q15 p15 s13 ?
Drofund [3k\]: hehe
Drofund [3k\]: poor eric :p
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;W[oe]C[shouldBdan [6k\]: eric lost early this morning too
shouldBdan [6k\]: seems he has a problem protecting his groups
firewolf07 [3k\]: he still has a chance....
firewolf07 [3k\]: maby...
shakti [-\]: there is always ko if needed
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;B[sb]C[dragnforce [8k\]: t18?
dragnforce [8k\]: yes
jubjub [3k\]: no an elimination tournament?
xiping [2k\]: he will live but very painful
dragnforce [8k\]: b alive
shouldBdan [6k\]: b dead
nordlab [-\]: Eric's the only player at Congress this year to get a 6-0 by round 3 in the ING and Open
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;W[cc]C[dragnforce [8k\]: now mingjiu attack
Tehanu [1k\]: b zombie
dragnforce [8k\]: hahaha
Drofund [3k\]: teehee
Khim [-\]: c17 lol
MavHunterZ [4k\]: nice
spook [1d\]: eh :)
xiping [2k\]: asking move not really attack
dragnforce [8k\]: that's just about the funniest thing ever
MavHunterZ [4k\]: here comes the body shots
spook [1d\]: that's the strangest probe 
shouldBdan [6k\]: thats a normal move
nordlab [-\]: normal probe
MavHunterZ [4k\]: lol
firewolf07 [3k\]: white play much quicker the black
dragnforce [8k\]: I was gonna say as a joke that he would now reduce the corner with b17 and he plays that
realDeal [5k\]: mingjiu is loughing... "whats this, hahaha, whats this? is this a joseki? the answer is NO... haha sleeping move, provavly not a good idear"
firewolf07 [3k\]: *plays
Khim [-\]: why a such probe
MXHero [3d\]: might make c13 good later
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;B[dd]C[jubjub [3k\]: black lived?
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;W[hc]C[shouldBdan [6k\]: he will tenuki but can make ko later
firewolf07 [3k\]: yes he did jujub
firewolf07 [3k\]: *jubjub
MrTortoise [5k\]: top right was cool
firewolf07 [3k\]: ouch
nordlab [-\]: oh wow, c17 before strike at H17... probably black will tenuki, I think
firewolf07 [3k\]: nice move by white
profan [6k?\]: d10?
shouldBdan [6k\]: has a pro ever misclick in a big tournament?
sixsix [4d\]: this isn't a KGS game
dragnforce [8k\]: this is clicked by a recorder
firewolf07 [3k\]: there playing on a board
firewolf07 [3k\]: so they can't misclick
ZedekBlue [18k\]: They're.
shouldBdan [6k\]: you can still misplace a stone
firewolf07 [3k\]: yeah
firewolf07 [3k\]: they'
dM01 [4k\]: you can misclick the clock
firewolf07 [3k\]: re
MXHero [3d\]: if you drop a stone on the board accidently, does that move count?
dfgd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt1FvPxmmfE
jubjub [3k\]: the clock picks up the clicking of the stones?
MohamedBM [4k?\]: It seems Ming doesnt think alot, or while B is thinking he already decided his next move :P
dM01 [4k\]: :D epic game
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;B[gd]
;W[if]C[firewolf07 [3k\]: they place a stone down, then click this button on top of the timer to stop it
dragnforce [8k\]: oh boy
R39 [2k\]: eric has wear the blue shirt ?
MohamedBM [4k?\]: Difference in time USGO? ;)
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;B[ih]C[Monsolith2 [12k\]: but of course there are pros misplacing a stone.. once a 9p who was playing on TV made an auto atari.. maybe you can find the video
jubjub [3k\]: that would be cool if it worked by picking up the sound of their move
MrTortoise [5k\]: invad?
dragnforce [8k\]: invasion time
shouldBdan [6k\]: but thats a misread, not a misplace
firewolf07 [3k\]: that looks more like a reduction move to me
realDeal [5k\]: what invasion everything is open :)
realDeal [5k\]: just walk in
guest992 [?\]: maybe at t15
firewolf07 [3k\]: black isn't realy in white's moyo
guest992 [?\]: sound very invasive to me
xiping [2k\]: sound very suicide :)
MrTortoise [5k\]: c9 is huge tho inni
MXHero [3d\]: this is a focal point, not an invasion
Piggen94 [5k\]: j12 looks cool
loler [4d\]: _______________________________
dragnforce [8k\]: c9 does look juicy
holynec [?\]: is black attacking with a boshi?!
nordlab [-\]: Feels like an Eric styled move
holynec [?\]: wowowowow
guest992 [?\]: middle of the side not the corner? :)
Tahta [2k\]: if  white defends than g13 will make nice moyo for black if white attacks black will invade
dragnforce [8k\]: b pissed at w being bored with the game
Optician [1k\]: on board 5 w has 4 corners
realDeal [5k\]: everyone here would be loughed at , if made such a move :)
guest992 [?\]: oh w is mingjiu
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;W[dn]C[loler [4d\]: lol
loler [4d\]: im loling
MXHero [3d\]: living up to your name i see
dragnforce [8k\]: nice
guest992 [?\]: lol
yougotPWND [7d?\]: lolol
dragnforce [8k\]: I wanted him to play there
yougotPWND [7d?\]: im lololing
MavHunterZ [4k\]: omg doint please
guest992 [?\]: loler: rolf, i'm rolfing ;P
MohamedBM [4k?\]: lol the kid's game is over? :P
firewolf07 [3k\]: hrh
MohamedBM [4k?\]: ah nmv
Monsolith2 [12k\]: its rofl not rolf
MXHero [3d\]: c8?
chienkwei [4k\]: wiil you amateur stop comment Pros please?
guest992 [?\]: sorry i type too fast :)
loler [4d\]: lol
guest992 [?\]: didnt notice even ^^
Heiri [8k?\]: :D should I beginn?
guest992 [?\]: loling?
bonobo03 [3k\]: R7  only answer
Viperlason [-\]: whos playing? sorry on phone cant see whole name :)
dragnforce [8k\]: I think the point of kibitz it for us to comment chienkwei
Caribe [4k\]: if even game, how many stones should b put?
guest992 [?\]: mingjiu vs eric liu
gfgfgfgbn: f3
Viperlason [-\]: ohhh whos who?
selectz [7k\]: 7p vs 7d
Nickless [2d\]: over 9 thousand
MrTortoise [5k\]: w 7p
Viperlason [-\]: what 9000?
loler [4d\]: lol
guest992 [?\]: lol
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;B[dl]C[guest992 [?\]: you and your sayia powress...
gfgfgfgbn: nice
Viperlason [-\]: thx guest and mrtortoise
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;W[bn]C[loler [4d\]: lol
realDeal [5k\]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw,  i thought some of you can find  it inspiring :D
loler [4d\]: cool move
guest992 [?\]: ok this si normal for w )
USGO1 [-\]: Let's stay focused on the game.
Monsolith2 [12k\]: f5 ?
guest992 [?\]: this way they have something for the review... ;p
Hellhuman [1d\]: b6 cool
PartyCrshr [4d\]: b d8 too close
loler [4d\]: b6 7p move
MXHero [3d\]: e6 looks natural
Watcher [-\]: Extreme Sheep LED Art  does not surprise me with this go company
zhou901108 [1d\]: c5 ?
guest992 [?\]: oh so u don't just f4 still?
muru [10k\]: F3?
globax [2d\]: e6 possible
MavHunterZ [4k\]: these games are not timed?
Twinn [19k?\]: they are, the time is just not reflected on the KGS server
MavHunterZ [4k\]: ah....
Watcher [-\]: must admit...it's impressive!...the sheep art btw
MavHunterZ [4k\]: lol at the kids with the fanny pack
MXHero [3d\]: i can't imagine anything besides e6 here
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;B[bp]C[USGO1 [-\]: Stumped everyone~
PartyCrshr [4d\]: c9
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;W[ck]C[MavHunterZ [4k\]: then that last move mustve blew your mind :)|
guest992 [?\]: mxhero somehow it feels like w would bevery happy with e6
deft [4d\]: I did look at B4, but I figured it was no good because of C9
nordlab [-\]: C7?
MXHero [3d\]: b4 scares me, i worry for b :(
saxo [3d\]: same here
guest992 [?\]: b c11? ;p
markpi: they invented clocks for chess u can see time in internet maybe 200buckss a clock they use it for german chess legue
guest992 [?\]: what an unpleasant situation
aussiemate [8k\]: wot, me worry?
PartyCrshr [4d\]: d8 is to blame
markpi: would  be nice here too
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;B[cm]C[firewolf07 [3k\]: i've never seem this move before
guest992 [?\]: yes partc, it's kinda close
Murn [2d\]: nice
MXHero [3d\]: yeah b cut w now! heaviest play possible but might work
guest992 [?\]: i don't like this
deft [4d\]: the new Ing clocks have a USB interface for getting clock readings on the computer, but you still need the CGoban software to support it if it were to appear on KGS
guest992 [?\]: i think he should fall back
Optician [1k\]: not off his chair, I hope
aussiemate [8k\]: o, I do hope so
USGO1 [-\]: Eric seems cold from the AC
MavHunterZ [4k\]: hm this is very bad for white i think
USGO1 [-\]: He puts on a very light jacket and rolls up his sleeves.
realDeal [5k\]: come on mingjiu, finish him off quickly, I need to go to sleep!
MavHunterZ [4k\]: i figured it was cold considering the fleece but i didnt wanna seem like an idoit for asking
guest992 [?\]: oh good we landed on the desciptful, usgo, thx :)
PartyCrshr [4d\]: b7 simple
Monsolith2 [12k\]: cold is good for thinking
MavHunterZ [4k\]: really?
guest992 [?\]: yes but w doesn't want it it makes him sad
Monsolith2 [12k\]: yeah
Monsolith2 [12k\]: for the brain
guest992 [?\]: he wants to get c6 too :)
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu is wringing his hands...
guest992 [?\]: so that he'd have more power with the corner :)
baltimore [?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US&aktie=verander live feed
aussiemate [8k\]: they are wet?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: id think the cold is bad...it must be a bit distracting
shouldBdan [6k\]: isnt this the same game as board 5?
selectz [7k\]: haha no
selectz [7k\]: i dont think so...
MavHunterZ [4k\]: not even close
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;W[cp]C[loler [4d\]: lol
Shanyui [4k\]: when you go to the go congress, is the tournament a part of the week of intense training?
gav [1d\]: wow
shouldBdan [6k\]: wow! 20k move
guest992 [?\]: ah i kinda expected this :)
guest992 [?\]: to cover for the cut ^^*
Athanor [-\]: only move it seems?
Athanor [-\]: w can't connect
realDeal [5k\]: ha, new joseki move!
ennuistic [2d\]: ?
Caprin [1d?\]: um, no 20 k moves here
selectz [7k\]: shouldbdan... white is a 7p not a 20k
gav [1d\]: love the way people try pretned they knew it was coming
gav [1d\]: tretend*
ennuistic [2d\]: dunno
gav [1d\]: pretend**
PartyCrshr [4d\]: w want sente at c6
ennuistic [2d\]: i think c5 is fine for black
MXHero [3d\]: ha, i just knew w would play around c6! :)
siuracat [7k\]: w wants to be 20 k
ennuistic [2d\]: c6 isn't sente though
realDeal [5k\]: i think Mr Jiang knows he won already so he is toying with poor boy :(
guest992 [?\]: gav it happens in a few continuations to joseki where one is trying to cover a cut
ennuistic [2d\]: still confused.
guest992 [?\]: usually before the peep ^^*
ennuistic [2d\]: if white gets c6 and black captures c3 white still needs a move to connect under.
MohamedBM [4k?\]: Are the chairs comfertable? :P My butt would hurt if i were to sit half a day on those :P
Moppel: w forgot to peep prior to c4
guest992 [?\]: moppel that'd be horrible ^^
shouldBdan [6k\]: peep where?
dragnforce [8k\]: no matter what w will live
ennuistic [2d\]: should cut i think
ennuistic [2d\]: c6
realDeal [5k\]: dont peep where you can cut :)
dragnforce [8k\]: he wouldn't play this without reading out all possibilities
MavHunterZ [4k\]: i dont think they are
ennuistic [2d\]: question whether that is too much though.
MXHero [3d\]: i like b c6, but i probably would find a way to die here too
nordlab [-\]: I think c6 is only move...
Athanor [-\]: c6 gives w good shape
MavHunterZ [4k\]: i feel any seat without an armrest is a very uncomfortable seat
ennuistic [2d\]: good shape?
CptCaveman [2d\]: wow what a move
MavHunterZ [4k\]: id say the seat is incomplete
Athanor [-\]: c6 c5 
Morla [5d\]: i think c6 is bad for b
flooder: stream eurogotv? since when did europe anect the US?
au2 [2d?\]: who is the TD for this event?
Athanor [-\]: b5  w has alot of possibilities
Moppel: push through, peep later
jlj: what's wrong with c3?
deft [4d\]: why no just play C3?
ennuistic [2d\]: c3?
deft [4d\]: W shape looks funny then
ennuistic [2d\]: black shape looks funny too.
flooder: hm
Athanor [-\]: c3 needs d3
andy1975 [1d\]: c6 or c5
Athanor [-\]: then w b7
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;B[cq]C[Athanor [-\]: if b b7, w d3 is really bad for b
aussiemate [8k\]: I could do with a good laugh
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;W[co]C[nickwild [2k\]: c3 then e3?
jlj: oh
ennuistic [2d\]: yes, e3 or d3 is necessary
flooder: b5
MXHero [3d\]: b5 makes w so happy
nordlab [-\]: B7?
Athanor [-\]: b7 d3
aussiemate [8k\]: e4 
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;B[bm]C[WoolyMaCha [5k\]: b7
zhou901108 [1d\]: i never understood c4 
Athanor [-\]: wow
selectz [7k\]: D5
MavHunterZ [4k\]: black wants that side
MavHunterZ [4k\]: an its a very nice side i might say
guest992 [?\]: zhou it protectsthe cut
ennuistic [2d\]: don't like this.
nordlab [-\]: White's shape looks a bit odd
andy1975 [1d\]: seems best move
flooder: b escaped....
zhou901108 [1d\]: but a stick  has no cuts
selectz [7k\]: i dont ither.. . not for white anyway
ennuistic [2d\]: too much space for white.
aussiemate [8k\]: W heavy?
jlj: where should w play?
ennuistic [2d\]: no
nordlab [-\]: I'm starting to like black
MXHero [3d\]: everything is heavy
ennuistic [2d\]: cut and white lives.
ennuistic [2d\]: just c9 is hard to kill completely
Dar00 [2d\]: d3 ?
flooder: d3 no need to think twice
ennuistic [2d\]: d3 is pretty forced.
Dar00 [2d\]: nothing is forced in go
sai1029 [2d\]: lol
andy1975 [1d\]: w lives not comfortable
norsu [1d\]: d3 gote
MavHunterZ [4k\]: i think white will extend first
ennuistic [2d\]: d3 saves the stones.
sai1029 [2d\]: ennuistic where u been lately, i don't c u play anymore
ennuistic [2d\]: otherwise black gets a splitting attack when he fixes the cut
MavHunterZ [4k\]: i woudnt want to be enclosed
MXHero [3d\]: d3's goodness doesn't care about sente or gote
ThiGar [5k\]: Hi UsGO1! At the following site: "http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/ING/2010/" I don't see the standings updated
ennuistic [2d\]: he's just reading out some more.
Athanor [-\]: it just makes w live, cuts b in two and erase all territory on south side.
USGO1 [-\]: Try http://usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/92
ennuistic [2d\]: its good.
flooder: c12 might be overplay
flooder: so d3
realDeal [5k\]: white in deep S
ThiGar [5k\]: thanks USGO1!
Athanor [-\]: c12 e3, and w has nothing
norsu [1d\]: is this second game today for  both?
ennuistic [2d\]: c12 is also possible as a move but i think that the four stones are bigger.
deft [4d\]: D3 E4 - not that easy for W
ennuistic [2d\]: plus is hard to get rid of c9 completely
sai1029 [2d\]: w should be fine, he only has one group to take care
ennuistic [2d\]: i'm sure that white can find a move that will either save c9 or live the top left corner.
deft [4d\]: if W has to live by capturing the B4 stone then it's no fun
USGO1 [-\]: It is the second game today for Eric Lui, who played Myungwan Kim in the US Open round 4
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu is not playing in the US Open, it's his first game today.
guest992 [?\]: oh how did he do ther,e usgo?
loler [4d\]: lost miserably
MXHero [3d\]: he died in the center
ennuistic [2d\]: white's top is not solid yet either.
Dar00 [2d\]: myungwan won by how much ?
ennuistic [2d\]: k17 can be used to invade.
ChemBoy613 [-\]: Kim Myungwan is just at a different level
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: by resign
Dar00 [2d\]: i c
USGO1 [-\]: It will still be listed under my games if you look at my info.
loler [4d\]: myungwan should play in this tournament with all the other pros
guest992 [?\]: ok thx
ennuistic [2d\]: tartrate, after all.
flooder: no
Dar00 [2d\]: myungwan is tartrate ?
jlj: ?
sai1029 [2d\]: no
loler [4d\]: yes
Autumn [-\]: We could've only wished that
Dar00 [2d\]: lol yes or no ?
Autumn [-\]: but he's not
MXHero [3d\]: myungwan is the tartrate of AGA
]
;W[dq]C[realDeal [5k\]: mingjiu is first jujo's teacher!
ennuistic [2d\]: myungwan is tartrate.
ennuistic [2d\]: you didn't know?
flooder: no
sai1029 [2d\]: i tho it was some1 else
ChemBoy613 [-\]: ofc i knew... and he's just so feirce
Dar00 [2d\]: k i will go check sensei website
USGO1 [-\]: Which way should white atari, or is there a better move?
ennuistic [2d\]: e3 i think.
deft [4d\]: just E4
sai1029 [2d\]: c2
diemorph [1k\]: w atari?
ennuistic [2d\]: d2 is also possible.
MXHero [3d\]: yeah e4 looks so cruel
sai1029 [2d\]: c2 for w
MavHunterZ [4k\]: i like c2
flooder: usgo1 - it is black´s turn
miao [6d\]: either d2 or b3
ChemBoy613 [-\]: d4 seems miserable
USGO1 [-\]: !
ChemBoy613 [-\]: erm
ChemBoy613 [-\]: d2
ChemBoy613 [-\]: e4 looks good
miao [6d\]: e4 overplay
ChemBoy613 [-\]: maybe e3
deft [4d\]: the corner is smaller than the outside, so E4 is best move
ennuistic [2d\]: e4?
]
;B[eq]C[ennuistic [2d\]: kidding.
miao [6d\]: o.o
]
;W[dr]C[miao [6d\]: wtf
ChemBoy613 [-\]: connect
MXHero [3d\]: miao how does w punish e4? and what is this? :P
MavHunterZ [4k\]: wow
nordlab [-\]: d5?
sai1029 [2d\]: who is usgo1, is he an admin of kgs?
globax [2d\]: d5?
deft [4d\]: uh, can B E5 now?
ennuistic [2d\]: this is bad?
ennuistic [2d\]: e5 is wrong.
miao [6d\]: hm ok maybe just a little better for white
ennuistic [2d\]: e4 or f4
flooder: e4
wuhu [-\]: yes miao
sai1029 [2d\]: g3 for b
nordlab [-\]: d5?
]
;B[cr]C[sai1029 [2d\]: lol
deft [4d\]: huh??
ennuistic [2d\]: sigh.
MavHunterZ [4k\]: wow
miao [6d\]: i give up on this
ennuistic [2d\]: this might be overplay
miao [6d\]: :P
loler [4d\]: lol
jlj: lol
covtxrider [15k\]: e4
miao [6d\]: hm i understand b
deft [4d\]: did the game recorder leave out some move?
miao [6d\]: his plan
ennuistic [2d\]: no
MXHero [3d\]: is b going to heavily make w eyeless?
miao [6d\]: but seems doubtful
ennuistic [2d\]: just to make white not have eyes
MXHero [3d\]: and then just barely live everywhere? o.O
nordlab [-\]: Mr. Lui is using a very crazy tactic...
ennuistic [2d\]: he makes small territory on both sides.
ennuistic [2d\]: black is a little behind, so maybe he has to play like this.
Dar00 [2d\]: "On January 20, 2009, it was claimed that tartrate is Kim Myungwan "  http://senseis.xmp.net/?Tartrate
MXHero [3d\]: are you sure this sequence isn't what -made- b behind?
guest992 [?\]: hard to judge eric, he's too strong :)
MavHunterZ [4k\]: claimed...not proven
]
;W[ep]C[ennuistic [2d\]: f3?
mFz [3k\]: b5
]
;B[er]C[ennuistic [2d\]: mm.
loler [4d\]: i dont understand b
flooder: d1
MXHero [3d\]: d1 and b5, but i hate it
]
;W[ds]C[sai1029 [2d\]: they said tatrate is Kim Myungwan?
flooder: c1
metyl: making for activity to the right of e2
]
;B[bo]C[Dar00 [2d\]: no nothing sure sai
MavHunterZ [4k\]: ????|
MavHunterZ [4k\]: so aggresice...or is it just me?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: aggresive*
sai1029 [2d\]: an admin said it
sai1029 [2d\]: so maybe it is reliable
Dar00 [2d\]: ah really ?
TeeSushi [3d\]: eric likes small life?
datboiandy [6k\]: nice
MXHero [3d\]: seems like w can still capture c2f
sai1029 [2d\]: http://blog.swissgo.org/tartrates-identity-revealed/
Noahid [2k\]: a5 c6 b3 a6 b2 seems W strong
sai1029 [2d\]: d1 looks wierd
Pepijn [2d?\]: a5 c6 b3 d5 
Pepijn [2d?\]: Noahid
Dar00 [2d\]: breakfast said it  lool
]
;W[do]C[Dar00 [2d\]: probably reliable then
globax [2d\]: d5-c6-g3
ennuistic [2d\]: mm.
ennuistic [2d\]: not sure if black thought all the way thorugh
ennuistic [2d\]: c6 is forced though
ennuistic [2d\]: but f3 is a bad time.
Meto [1d\]: a5 or h3
ennuistic [2d\]: unless you want to play g3 and give white the corner.
MavHunterZ [4k\]: k3 n3 is crying
MXHero [3d\]: i guess that doesn't seem totally awful
sai1029 [2d\]: i think b would be so much better off earlier if he just g3 instead of c2
ennuistic [2d\]: its okay because black retains sente.
MXHero [3d\]: at least b gets to capture b6 for safety
ennuistic [2d\]: hmm.
always9k [1d\]: not bad for b
ennuistic [2d\]: g3 maybe black can live?
stoneman [4d\]: hi, USGO1, where can i find the past game results?
USGO1 [-\]: http://usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/82
stoneman [4d\]: thx
ennuistic [2d\]: yeah.
ennuistic [2d\]: g3 here.
sai1029 [2d\]: being USGO accounts must be tiring, they have to be so active the whole time
USGO1 [-\]: http://usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/92
USGO1 [-\]: first is Open, second is Ing
]
;B[gq]
;W[ao]C[ennuistic [2d\]: a3?
ennuistic [2d\]: b3 works too
covtxrider [15k\]: c6?
BobWhoosta [4k\]: Seems dead, game over.
ennuistic [2d\]: no
ennuistic [2d\]: strike that
ennuistic [2d\]: a3
TeeSushi [3d\]: a3 should be fine
Ripples [2k\]: ?
fatihsulak [-\]: c6 seems only move
MXHero [3d\]: b3
sai1029 [2d\]: of he can c 6 sente again
deft [4d\]: A3 B2 is no better than just C6
]
;B[cn]
;W[bq]
;B[an]C[MXHero [3d\]: aw
]
;W[br]C[TeeSushi [3d\]: or sacrifice
ennuistic [2d\]: bleh.
ennuistic [2d\]: don't like it.
MXHero [3d\]: i wanted b to keep playing extremely heavily
loler [4d\]: a3 same result
loler [4d\]: almost
sai1029 [2d\]: llol
ennuistic [2d\]: time to invade right side now.
norsu [1d\]: now to attack agains c9 
sanjikun [2k\]: maxi gote
ennuistic [2d\]: c9 not good time to attack.
BobWhoosta [4k\]: Simply d9 here?
sai1029 [2d\]: u sure the right side is the best?
Viperlason [-\]: this result cant make black satisfied
ennuistic [2d\]: yes.
Na107 [?\]: seems as joseki
mFz [3k\]: black sente
firewolf07 [3k\]: black has screated a whole new level of being low
illa [4k\]: h13?
firewolf07 [3k\]: *created
ennuistic [2d\]: like, 99% sure.
sai1029 [2d\]: be speicific, which line
ennuistic [2d\]: depends.
ThiGar [5k\]: can one call g3 an error?
]
;B[ej]C[ennuistic [2d\]: i would play 3rd line
sai1029 [2d\]: lol
ennuistic [2d\]: ugh.
sai1029 [2d\]: 1% got u there
MXHero [3d\]: g3 was good, but e3 was weird
mFz [3k\]: black wanted sente maybe
deft [4d\]: A3 first would give the same result as playing A3 now, B would be gote for no gain
ennuistic [2d\]: don't like at all.
realDeal [5k\]: he will live there !
ennuistic [2d\]: why would you do this?
sai1029 [2d\]: reason b does not needa play on the right
sai1029 [2d\]: is because w is not settled there
ennuistic [2d\]: there is too much space for black to kill white.
sai1029 [2d\]: even if w add a move there
antere [1k\]: hmm
sai1029 [2d\]: the right is not as urgent
ennuistic [2d\]: it is bigger than top left.
sai1029 [2d\]: because it is still reducible
fatihsulak [-\]: is b15 small now?
Autumn [-\]: Insane in the membrane!!!
ennuistic [2d\]: if you could kill c9 with one move, then def play on the left
ennuistic [2d\]: but i don't think he can.
sai1029 [2d\]: i think he can
Ripples [2k\]: obviously 7d doesnt think so lol
sai1029 [2d\]: c 9 looks so dead
flooder: yes we can
sai1029 [2d\]: yes we cannnn
Dar00 [2d\]: D6 was rather unusual
realDeal [5k\]: i bet all of you mingjiu will make c9 alive with one hand only!
Dar00 [2d\]: c9 is trash
MXHero [3d\]: every move in this sequence was more unusual than the last
sai1029 [2d\]: seriously
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu is sitting on his hands.
loler [4d\]: it doesnt really matter if you use only 1 hand in go
ennuistic [2d\]: forces white to live in top left though.
MavHunterZ [4k\]: maybe someone should ask to lower the ac
sai1029 [2d\]: usgo1, can u plz tell me ur identity, r u an admin of kgs?
sivananda [2d\]: c14?
Meto [1d\]: e18
MavHunterZ [4k\]: no
nordlab [-\]: USGO1 is Solomon Smilack
USGO1 [-\]: ^
MavHunterZ [4k\]: he is there in person
sai1029 [2d\]: or just some staff from congress
sai1029 [2d\]: oooo
MavHunterZ [4k\]: yes
sai1029 [2d\]: thanks
pinkrobot [1d\]: e12
USGO1 [-\]: Not an admin, no. But there are several here at the US Go Congress.
ennuistic [2d\]: lots of time to think.
Meto [1d\]: g12 or e18
sai1029 [2d\]: did any one lost by time i wonder
Dar00 [2d\]: can someone give me the link to the list of all kgs admins ?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu is looking at the top left corner and now assumes a Thinker pose.
MavHunterZ [4k\]: lol they are taking turns takin water breaks
ThiGar [5k\]: what are the preconditions/timing for black to invade the right side?
ennuistic [2d\]: normally you would squeeze c9
Dar00 [2d\]: lol usgo1 X)
fatihsulak [-\]: b15
sai1029 [2d\]: how strong is solomon smilack?
USGO1 [-\]: I'll try to finally get 2d after the congress.
ennuistic [2d\]: just so many ways to play here.
USGO1 [-\]: (kgs)
]
;W[hh]C[ennuistic [2d\]: strong.
Dar00 [2d\]: oh so u r looking after my rank
flooder: weak
sai1029 [2d\]: o i tho u r 9d something, since u r commenting on wut mingjiu is thinking about lol
ennuistic [2d\]: more escape options after this move i think.
sivananda [2d\]: brilliant move!
USGO1 [-\]: Recording games is a good way to get a feel for high level games.
MavHunterZ [4k\]: if he was 9d he would be busy playing a game himself
sivananda [2d\]: none of us thought of it.
flooder: it helps d12 
sai1029 [2d\]: b may need to m 12 or soemthing i think in order to set up reduction
stoneman [4d\]: USGO1, why i don''t see Mingjiu Jiang's name appear on the result list?
pinkrobot [1d\]: not enough redux
sai1029 [2d\]: i mean L 12
Dar00 [2d\]: told u C9 was trash  maybe some aji later
USGO1 [-\]: Are you examining the results from the NAIM or Open?
sai1029 [2d\]: or p 11 then
stoneman [4d\]: open
nordlab [-\]: J11?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu isn't competing in the Open.
Autumn [-\]: hm?
sai1029 [2d\]: if u think reduction is small
stoneman [4d\]: i c, thanks
realDeal [5k\]: LOL mingjiu is wearing some silly shorts, not 7p at all :D
sai1029 [2d\]: then b will p 10
MavHunterZ [4k\]: LOL
MavHunterZ [4k\]: those are tight
pinkrobot [1d\]: just e13
sai1029 [2d\]: sexy
USGO1 [-\]: And sandals~
Autumn [-\]: lol
realDeal [5k\]: hopfully he shaved his legs :P
ThiGar [5k\]: K14
MavHunterZ [4k\]: lol just like a hermit master...sandals an shorts
]
;B[hg]
;W[ig]C[ennuistic [2d\]: fun.
sai1029 [2d\]: i mean this is really casual go to him
nordlab [-\]: uh
USGO1 [-\]: Black atari or extend?
nordlab [-\]: not really
nordlab [-\]: there's money on the line
Ingognito [9k\]: what is the nationality of eric lui ?
USGO1 [-\]: USA
loler [4d\]: chinese
yougotPWND [7d?\]: eric lui is mexican
HappyGuy [5d\]: American
Ingognito [9k\]: thx
sai1029 [2d\]: original chinese
flooder: who was the girl?
nordlab [-\]: afaik, he's ABC
yougotPWND [7d?\]: nonono you have to listen to me
]
;B[jh]C[sai1029 [2d\]: he's abc?
nordlab [-\]: american born chinese
jlj: name usually gives it away
yougotPWND [7d?\]: he's abm
sai1029 [2d\]: not fob?
]
;W[hi]C[yougotPWND [7d?\]: american born mexican
nordlab [-\]: no, he's born in us, I think
sai1029 [2d\]: he looks fobby to me
buhaoyisi [?\]: congo born sri lankan obviously
]
;B[jj]C[MavHunterZ [4k\]: wow
MavHunterZ [4k\]: white really looks lonely
MXHero [3d\]: oops, tengen, b wins
MavHunterZ [4k\]: floating there like that
sai1029 [2d\]: like u can tell if an asian is from oversea or not from looks sometimes
globax [2d\]: f12
nordlab [-\]: um... I dunno what to tell you
sai1029 [2d\]: if u r asian urself that is
nordlab [-\]: from what I've heard, he's abc
Optician [1k\]: w g10 - would threaten to capture h13
sai1029 [2d\]: b is the underdog now
sai1029 [2d\]: he needa out read w somehow to win
flooder: usgo1 interrupt the game for a moment and ask them where they are born
Meto [1d\]: wJ10
MavHunterZ [4k\]: ...
sai1029 [2d\]: lol
sai1029 [2d\]: lol at flooder
sai1029 [2d\]: it lols me so hard now
dragnforce [8k\]: e12
MavHunterZ [4k\]: that would be very rude
gav [1d\]: time left on clock?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: wait till after the game or look up the info at senies or something
sai1029 [2d\]: unlessu bribe them with like $100
iTengen [2k\]: oh wow
MavHunterZ [4k\]: sensies* or however it is spelt
realDeal [5k\]: USGO1 how can you see such a small  stones on this 5" screen?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu has 57 minutes left. I assume Eric has a little less...
gav [1d\]: thx
NYNY [3d\]: E12?
hikaru38 [1k\]: It remains how long to play?
globax [2d\]: f12-h15??
hikaru38 [1k\]: ok
hikaru38 [1k\]: sorry
USGO1 [-\]: Probably about 40min since we did start promptly at 3pm.
iTengen [2k\]: Eric Lui is someone strong?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: he is 7p
sai1029 [2d\]: i would m 11 instead of K 10
]
;W[hk]C[sai1029 [2d\]: i think b played K 10 without much thoughts
flooder: no just an ordinary 7d noob
MavHunterZ [4k\]: so yes...he is strong
MavHunterZ [4k\]: oh
nordlab [-\]: I dunno, iTen, but I think he can bench press around 220 lbs
seikenguy [-\]: How is he 7p?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: naw 7d
MavHunterZ [4k\]: im too confused cause im hungry
ThiGar [5k\]: did'nt h12 open options for black?
seikenguy [-\]: Drink some water.
sai1029 [2d\]: i keep getting mixed up with bbw when I see the name eric lui
nordlab [-\]: they have completely different first names
MavHunterZ [4k\]: btw i w wonder if there is some steriods in thaat water bottle...they should test them afterwards :P
]
;B[gg]C[ThiGar [5k\]: no, bbw is liu
martijn [11k?\]: I wonder if caffeine is banned
dragnforce [8k\]: h6
xedover [?\]: they have different last names too
martijn [11k?\]: NO TEA WITH YOUR GO
nordlab [-\]: yes, but I can understand how you mixup the last names
nordlab [-\]: they have completely different first names
sai1029 [2d\]: have u ever eat those sweets along with hot green tea when playing go?
USGO1 [-\]: Last year I remember Jie Li drinking so much caffeine...
sai1029 [2d\]: its one of the best feeling
]
;W[fi]C[sai1029 [2d\]: h 15
sai1029 [2d\]: maybe not
Optician [1k\]: j15 is possible
sai1029 [2d\]: just an regular nice move
sai1029 [2d\]: i mean h 15 that is
]
;B[dh]C[flooder: h15 is aji keshi
sai1029 [2d\]: but w will end up with fat center
sai1029 [2d\]: so i take that move back
ThiGar [5k\]: whole board pinwheel
yougotPWND [7d?\]: k8 maybe?
yougotPWND [7d?\]: or will he go j4
flooder: b+71 mingjiu sould resign
gav [1d\]: f13 h15 l13 
Optician [1k\]: b can play h,j or k15 - to play it now would remove all elements of choice
sai1029 [2d\]: b needa use hidden move soon
iTengen [2k\]: wait isn't Eric Lui bigbadwolf?
flooder: no
seikenguy [-\]: Andy Liu is
stoneman [4d\]: mingjiu behind on territory
NakedSnake [7k\]: this game it's not over
iTengen [2k\]: ah that's right, sorry
iTengen [2k\]: unknownplr?
iancho [1d\]: w seems ahead to me
nordlab [-\]: Bao Li
sai1029 [2d\]: i wonder if bbw and eric is good friends :)
Thale [4k\]: bbw is not an human
iTengen [2k\]: :) i will stop guessing
saxo [3d\]: so what's next ?
Thale [4k\]: hes a bot
saxo [3d\]: K8 ?
flooder: unless he uses his clone to be logged on right now
always9k [1d\]: oh andy liu is bigbadwolf?
sai1029 [2d\]: yes
BALLZ [3k\]: no, andy lau
stoneman [4d\]: if mingjiu find a way to attack successfully, w will turn it around
always9k [1d\]: how abt Eric lui?
sai1029 [2d\]: bbw just logged off after seeing this
jlj: such large territories in this game^^
stoneman [4d\]: can w make alive inside b's moyo?
guest992 [?\]: right isn't safe yet
seikenguy [-\]: He must make h9 stronger first to attack. He's probably trying to find a way to do both almost simultaneously =)
guest992 [?\]: well and the middle's a mess ;)
stoneman [4d\]: how to attack middle b stones?
sai1029 [2d\]: d 12 is a baller move
sai1029 [2d\]: d 12 is like saying, come get my k 10 if u can
ThiGar [5k\]: white's future not as bright as it used to be
]
;W[ek]C[dM01 [4k\]: wee ^^
MavHunterZ [4k\]: here come a magic attack
sai1029 [2d\]: then w was like wth u fool, ur left will be my target
flooder: aiming at g13 obviously
stoneman [4d\]: i guess e9 means "ok, i will see how u respond"
seikenguy [-\]: You're saying it's a probe?
Meto [1d\]: i think w looking J 3
sai1029 [2d\]: u think so stoneman?
stoneman [4d\]: "if you respond wrong, i may make alive"
sai1029 [2d\]: i guess i'll concur
guest992 [?\]: w is thinking this helps him out
gav [1d\]: looking for k9 
stoneman [4d\]: yes
norsu [1d\]: lol kid
flooder: weeee lose
stoneman [4d\]: w doesn't have good way to attack middle b
sai1029 [2d\]: b is trying to read w's pokerface
covtxrider [15k\]: lids prolly 5d
]
;B[dk]C[covtxrider [15k\]: kid
stoneman [4d\]: d10?
Medriel [1k?\]: d10
sai1029 [2d\]: ?
sai1029 [2d\]: i don't get d 10
sai1029 [2d\]: i realy don't
stoneman [4d\]: e11 is to lame
guest992 [?\]: j4?
]
;W[jl]C[sai1029 [2d\]: so we went back to b's "u think u can get me u fool"
stoneman [4d\]: catch me if you can
sai1029 [2d\]: now b is saying " as u wish, let me show u"
guest992 [?\]: i dont think b was in the a team, sai..
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;B[lk]C[MavHunterZ [4k\]: looks like the game with the big guy an the little kid is over
nordlab [-\]: I don't like running in this direction
BobWhoosta [4k\]: If w doesn't kill black it seems even.
stoneman [4d\]: w still got d10 there
HappyGuy [5d\]: this is toug
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;W[lm]C[sai1029 [2d\]: if m 9 group live, w lose for sure
dragnforce [8k\]: m7 seems next
dragnforce [8k\]: nice
sai1029 [2d\]: m 11 must?
BobWhoosta [4k\]: M12 now?
HappyGuy [5d\]: white try to solidf territory by chasing?
sai1029 [2d\]: unless they try to be fancy
BobWhoosta [4k\]: M11 better than M12?
wry [?\]: f13 works now for white
sai1029 [2d\]: yes
HappyGuy [5d\]: black's shape is very thin,, 
dragnforce [8k\]: m11 would practically guarantee life
Viperlason [-\]: w shape is very nice
USGO1 [-\]: How can black fix his shape?
stoneman [4d\]: we are all watching here, nobody is playing
HappyGuy [5d\]: don't know Eric is way stronger than me
BobWhoosta [4k\]: dragnforce, m11 is a long way from life.
stoneman [4d\]: w got many defects
BobWhoosta [4k\]: 1 1/2 eyes from life.
sai1029 [2d\]: does eric lui have a kgs account?
stoneman [4d\]: i would say not hard for b to fix its shape
Viperlason [-\]: ur good happyguy :\]
USGO1 [-\]: For the SPOT1 tournament Eric played as Compendium
dragnforce [8k\]: not really
]
;B[kf]C[sai1029 [2d\]: fancyyy
]
;W[fg]C[stoneman [4d\]: happyguy, do u know Eric Lui personally?
BobWhoosta [4k\]: F13 niiice.
sai1029 [2d\]: probabl y not
sai1029 [2d\]: otherwisee he would not wonder about his strength
stoneman [4d\]: come on, guys, w used to be pro 7dan in china
stoneman [4d\]: and Eric Lui is just ama
MXHero [3d\]: don't give up hope, stoneman!
flooder: stoneman amas are very strong as well
]
;B[he]
;W[ie]C[flooder: bbw beat 3 pros 8p,and 9p last year and he is ama
sai1029 [2d\]: come on guys, go is like martial arts
zx6 [3k\]: remember ady liu last year
bubba [4d\]: just remember, Mingjiu has played in the US Open three times, and never won
sai1029 [2d\]: everyone has his or her prime time in their life
covtxrider [15k\]: f14?
sai1029 [2d\]: other than their prime time, they r weaker
stoneman [4d\]: how old is Eric Lui?
guest992 [?\]: i say b needs to think more about life in the middle and leave g13..
nordlab [-\]: Mingjiu has won the ING, though
flooder: L16
Viperlason [-\]: he is young
MXHero [3d\]: sai, that just sounds depressing they way you worded that :)
MXHero [3d\]: the*
guest992 [?\]: since i can't see a good attack on j15..
sai1029 [2d\]: i mean we r all dying....
stoneman [4d\]: i think Mingjiu spent too much time teaching
Viperlason [-\]: once a pro always a pro
Fear [7k\]: i like to think of it as living <_<
USGO1 [-\]: Eric wanted to play m16 but he puts the stone back in the bowl.
sai1029 [2d\]: to be short, mingjiu maynot be as strong as he used to be
sai1029 [2d\]: but he is still better than most
Medriel [1k?\]: best way to learn is to teach
stoneman [4d\]: not trying to enhance his go skills by studying with stronger players
loler [4d\]: no
flooder: i think if you would have sponsored him better he would not have needed to teach so much
holynec [?\]: you should mutter, 10 pushups
holynec [?\]: ;\]
MXHero [3d\]: sai, your message is like the k12 group: very heavy :)
MavHunterZ [4k\]: lol
sai1029 [2d\]: lol at flooder again
guest992 [?\]: usgo interesting :0
sai1029 [2d\]: this is y i play in kgs
loler [4d\]: m16 madness
sai1029 [2d\]: to listen to trolling and chatting
sai1029 [2d\]: not because it is a good go server
MavHunterZ [4k\]: ouch
MavHunterZ [4k\]: lol
aussiemate [8k\]: both
Optician [1k\]: is that USGO1 sitting to the left of the board?
MXHero [3d\]: hey kgs is the best go server!
sai1029 [2d\]: yes the best go server overall maybe
MavHunterZ [4k\]: yes that is him
loler [4d\]: yes kgs the strongst
stoneman [4d\]: what if b play L16?
MrTortoise [5k\]: usgo1 we can see you playing freecell in the background
MavHunterZ [4k\]: very friendly user interface
sai1029 [2d\]: yea
sai1029 [2d\]: but if u r very very serious about go
sai1029 [2d\]: play in tygem 
sai1029 [2d\]: or worldbaduk to see some other styles
metyl: g7
flooder: sai for 20$ /h I can entertain you even more
sai1029 [2d\]: but not good until u r 6dish
loler [4d\]: lol it doesnt matter where u play when u r weaker than 7d
sai1029 [2d\]: that sounds like a good deal flooder
flooder: You can invite 2 friends as well - deal??
sai1029 [2d\]: i would love to, but i am short in cash
USGO1 [-\]: Eric checks Mingjiu's time, and seemed a little worried.
USGO1 [-\]: As if trying to hurry himself up.
sai1029 [2d\]: nice commentory on their eperssion
nordlab [-\]: How's Mingjiu's time?
sai1029 [2d\]: u can write a novel about us go congress
flooder: hehe then teach more
USGO1 [-\]: W 49min B 30min
ThiGar [5k\]: Temperature in Colorado Srings?
sai1029 [2d\]: what are the byomi
sai1029 [2d\]: 5 1 min?
covtxrider [15k\]: temp is 86
zx6 [3k\]: is there a broadcast?
USGO1 [-\]: Sunny with a chance of being a very well air-conditioned university center.
ThiGar [5k\]: all right
sai1029 [2d\]: :D
USGO1 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
sai1029 [2d\]: sexy
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;B[fj]C[loler [4d\]: ?
sai1029 [2d\]: but my internet sucks that it won't play at all
MXHero [3d\]: w had some crazy stuff if b didn't do this or something like it
sai1029 [2d\]: nvm it plays now
GoIsBoring [3d\]: b+313
GoIsBoring [3d\]: so cool
sai1029 [2d\]: any1 watching the live one right now?
wuhu [-\]: se is cool
MavHunterZ [4k\]: 57 people are
USGO1 [-\]: SE seems a little unreliable at the moment.
Nicl22 [3k\]: "at the moment" "?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: out of the 315 people watching the game
USGO1 [-\]: What are the actual values of their territories?
metyl: yes
jsc [11k\]: lol at the SE
MavHunterZ [4k\]: yeah
flooder: no not at all usgo1
metyl: but the light is too bright and you can't see the board 
Nicl22 [3k\]: It seems very hard to count this game, seeing as how much depends on what happens with black's weak center group
metyl: camera's at a bad angle as usual
jsc [11k\]: and that guy needs to move his elbow
bonobo03 [3k\]: MX  you mean that´s  why he has no time for a move at M12 ?
USGO1 [-\]: The top, the left, the bottom right, what are the approximate values?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: dont mind about the board when you can see everyting perfectly here
metyl: why not move up or to the side or both
metyl: only one face
norsu [1d\]: after considering se prediction I bet that w will win!
MXHero [3d\]: seems like some bad things happen starting at d11, if b ignores
Fiara [4k\]: Go Jiang go!
armynso:  
MavHunterZ [4k\]:  
Nicl22 [3k\]: I count 75 points for black assuming the c17 stone has no aji at all
MrTortoise [5k\]: i wonder who won that top left game
akko888 [13k\]: g9 perhaps?
danielhast [5k\]: why didn't black attack at L16 first?
flooder: f12 seems goteish
guest992 [?\]: danielhast, how? :S
covtxrider [15k\]: se says b+313
USGO1 [-\]: Nathan Harwit beat Martin Lebl on that game, MrT
USGO1 [-\]: Nathan now 2-2 so far.
danielhast [5k\]: if b had played L16, the 5 white stones at J15 look sealed in and possibly dead
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;W[hm]C[dfgsss: GAME OVER
danielhast [5k\]: but clearly I'm missing something, since they're both ignoring it
USGO1 [-\]: Bets on black's next move?
weirdchess [2k\]: G8
dfgsss: L 16
MavHunterZ [4k\]: g10 black seems like a real agreesive type guy to me
Optician [1k\]: I like o14
bonobo03 [3k\]: O10
danielhast [5k\]: I still think L16 looks really difficult for white
covtxrider [15k\]: o12
Nicl22 [3k\]: I'd very badly want to play around M11 now
iTengen [2k\]: L16 next move? i don't think it works
Nicl22 [3k\]: in that general area, I don't know the exact move
NYNY [3d\]: N13
iTengen [2k\]: but what do i know eh
nordlab [-\]: Every time Martin Lebl plays in the ING, he shows what level he really is
akko888 [13k\]: l17 seems like a good response
dfgsss: n13 gay move
nordlab [-\]: Why does he keep getting to self promote? His sigma is huge
yithril [2d\]: sigma?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: sigma?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: General sigma?
weirdchess [2k\]: standard deviation
Nicl22 [3k\]: sigma is probably uncertainty in his rating?
norsu [1d\]: if b l16 you can start finding missing moves around l13 or l17 
nordlab [-\]: rating uncertainty
A003 [6k\]: bet 2000 w win
GregHouse [2d\]: is that the final ?
sai1029 [2d\]: b will m 11?
nordlab [-\]: it's what affects how much your rank goes up or down after a win or loss
sai1029 [2d\]: ort something locally there
nordlab [-\]: and if you self promote, the AGA system increases your sigma
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;B[lh]C[norsu [1d\]: kgs money?
flooder: so what rating and what sigma does he have?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: ah i thought he was talkin g about the leader of the maverick
iTengen [2k\]: n13 not looking so gay now is it
sai1029 [2d\]: the room is so quiet there
bonobo03 [3k\]: M12  looks  solid
Dar00 [2d\]: b's left is very big
goseki [5d?\]: m12 strong
Troff [?\]: board 1 shot:  http://i33.tinypic.com/2igeqn6.jpg
USGO1 [-\]: How big?
dfgsss: m12 amateur move
guest992 [?\]: 9d amatuer?
nordlab [-\]: His rating's 5.2d, and his sigma is 0.7
]
;W[kd]C[goseki [5d?\]: m12 vital point, honte
iTengen [2k\]: L16 might work now
iTengen [2k\]: jaha clever w ^^
nordlab [-\]: http://agagd.usgo.org/Player_Card.php?key=8026
nordlab [-\]: Look at his tournament performances
seikenguy [-\]: W is just playing reasonably, no stupid risks.
bonobo03 [3k\]: O10 next
covtxrider [15k\]: n14
iTengen [2k\]: R7
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks for the photo link Troff ^_^
flooder: o10 does what?
bonobo03 [3k\]: invade
Troff [?\]: np you probably saw me take it about 20 mins ago ;)
flooder: except losing sente
dfgsss: wow thay play too slow
seikenguy [-\]: Hard to find the correct move in this position.
Dar00 [2d\]: strange room
eboesch [1d\]: I'm with flooder, o10 seems way too shallow
wikipwnia [4k\]: q10
USGO1 [-\]: And may I just say that Mingjiu's water bottle has been obstructing my view for the whole darn game?
loler [4d\]: move it
jlj: lol
akko888 [13k\]: j17
pototo120 [6k\]: m8
sai1029 [2d\]: lol, some guy just came by and scratch his there
MavHunterZ [4k\]: someone just scratched thier spot
norsu [1d\]: drink it
guest992 [?\]: cool photo :D
sai1029 [2d\]: i know
sai1029 [2d\]: hahaha
Dar00 [2d\]: yea cool pic
USGO1 [-\]: In the background you can see board2
]
;B[ok]C[USGO1 [-\]: Where Huiren Yang and Yongfei Ge are playing.
bonobo03 [3k\]: brave
Troff [?\]: one sec i have board 2 too
USGO1 [-\]: The winner of board 2 will play the winner of this game for the title.
josette [1d\]: seem's good for white
iTengen [2k\]: who said o10 had the right idea
guest992 [?\]: usgo are there 7 people recording these games? @_@
iTengen [2k\]: but was a wimp!
]
;W[db]C[loler [4d\]: lol
sai1029 [2d\]: whoa
wikipwnia [4k\]: b18
seikenguy [-\]: o10's very different from p9.
USGO1 [-\]: Yes there are many broadcasters for the Ing.
guest992 [?\]: cool, thx guys you're great :)
sai1029 [2d\]: i wanan n 11 for w
danielhast [5k\]: the upper left is about 50 points even reducing from F13
FarSide [7k\]: me too sai
norsu [1d\]: ko coming
Troff [?\]: oops only a far shot of board 2   http://i38.tinypic.com/9j2jd5.jpg
danielhast [5k\]: so I'd assume white has to invade it somehow
ThiGar [5k\]: at which table is the Yang Yilun game?
Nicl22 [3k\]: how to make ko here?
sai1029 [2d\]: i wish the video can boardcast from the ceiling
sai1029 [2d\]: so we can see the board
norsu [1d\]: e18 b18 d19 c19 
Nicl22 [3k\]: e18, b18, b16, b17, d19, c19, f19
theguess: yilun already lost
sai1029 [2d\]: because now we are just watching the people only
Nicl22 [3k\]: eh
loler [4d\]: the purpose of the video is to see the people
Nicl22 [3k\]: e19* ag ghf fks
loler [4d\]: lol
covtxrider [15k\]: and the black stones
Nicl22 [3k\]: e19* at the end
Troff [?\]: yilun yang   http://i36.tinypic.com/2cxahq1.jpg
jlj: lol, is that a bird on the guys shoulder, troff?
guest992 [?\]: i would think there're alot of observers at such an event, why is the room so empty? :)
Troff [?\]: it's a clip on pidgeon :)
dragnforce [8k\]: 84 viewers, the least of any table
Nicl22 [3k\]: norsu?
dragnforce [8k\]: perhaps people think one side will win without a doubt
guest992 [?\]: oh i mean the actual room where the game takes place?
]
;B[eb]C[Nicl22 [3k\]: To allow the players to concentrate
Troff [?\]: both games are being projected on a big screen in the main hall, most people watch from there
norsu [1d\]: yes?
dragnforce [8k\]: b18?
guest992 [?\]: oh are the games being projected for the crowd then ? :D
theguess: is b pianist
Nicl22 [3k\]:  norsu: what about d18, e18, b18, b16, b17, d19, c19, e19
theguess: ?
USGO1 [-\]: There is usually pro commentary in the main room for the interesting games.
theguess: or is b badwolf?
Optician [1k\]: w b18 b b16
guest992 [?\]: thanks troff
guest992 [?\]: oh
]
;W[qk]C[dragnforce [8k\]: lol
guest992 [?\]: pro commentary by non participating pros?
cloudo [2k\]: most people watch these games at home via paytv
Archron [5k\]: so b is bbw?
sai1029 [2d\]: no
Archron [5k\]: o
dragnforce [8k\]: no, andy liu is bbw
sai1029 [2d\]: we just talk about this like 30 mins ago
norsu [1d\]: good for b :)
guest992 [?\]: ah sorry i just thought a congress is where a lot of ppl meet and play and it looks kinda like a festivale
dragnforce [8k\]: if w wins ko up top left it's game over
loler [4d\]: lol
covtxrider [15k\]: a congress is where idiots get together and screw up the country
flooder: yes in the noob room it is probably like a festival
covtxrider [15k\]: but u are close
sai1029 [2d\]: a very very bably looking kid just pass by
Optician [1k\]: top left is not ko
sai1029 [2d\]: who the heck is that
cloudo [2k\]: with big firework
TeeSushi [3d\]: top left not ko just dead
dragnforce [8k\]: will be soon if b doesn't kill
TeeSushi [3d\]: no its dead
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;B[oh]C[Integral [-\]: lol
Nicl22 [3k\]: Does any dan doubt that B is leading here? If not, by how much?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: Whgy does that kid have a slingshot?
dfgsss: are there younf and good looking girls at the tournament?
ZeroKun [-\]: i think we should consult the pidgeon
MavHunterZ [4k\]: is he planning on shooting stones?
MavHunterZ [4k\]: bart simpson?
Dar00 [2d\]: what's the "bird" on USGO2 's shoulder ?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: I thin B is leading
dragnforce [8k\]: w b18
dragnforce [8k\]: set op ko, win game
ChemBoy613 [-\]: top left is too big
A003 [6k\]: we should have funny go video
ChemBoy613 [-\]: b18 b16 
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;W[iq]C[A003 [6k\]: like pro scratch armpit
A003 [6k\]: ....
dragnforce [8k\]: oooh, who called j3 30-45 minutes ago, a good call that was
loler [4d\]: lol
norsu [1d\]: now pro's counting power is turning the game for w
akko888 [13k\]: j2?
flooder: I call a4
Integral [-\]: lol
flooder: you will remember me in 50min
dragnforce [8k\]: =)
guest992 [?\]: if j2->k2
gragba: a7
bonobo03 [3k\]: thats´s what the bots are playing against me constantly
Dar00 [2d\]: a clip on pidgeon  what is it?
]
;B[ir]
;W[jr]C[akko888 [13k\]: h3
covtxrider [15k\]: looks like a trap 
iancho [1d\]:  think w is head
bonobo03 [3k\]: it is
iancho [1d\]: ahead*
Optician [1k\]: b needs h2
SoulShadow [9k\]: where's admiral ackbar when you need him
guest992 [?\]: i'm thinking that maybe b should q2 sometime you know... but this would've killed anything with q6//
]
;B[ip]
;W[kq]C[Nicl22 [3k\]: iancho: how much poitns do you count for black?
flooder: that is passive aggressive
BALLZ [3k\]: not really a trap, just a common technique
dragnforce [8k\]: w will win for sure
dragnforce [8k\]: b just hurt himself bad
Integral [-\]: very good sequence for white
]
;B[jp]C[MavHunterZ [4k\]: sweer
dragnforce [8k\]: l4
MavHunterZ [4k\]: sweet*
Nicl22 [3k\]: dragnforce yes we know, right after he starts the ko in the top left
guest992 [?\]: no ko there, nicl
sai1029 [2d\]: to dfgsss, there r no young and good looking girls there
norsu [1d\]: wake up that boy
Integral [-\]: left top inst dead?
]
;W[kr]C[guest992 [?\]: yes
sai1029 [2d\]: mostly guys and more guys
vachibou [27k?\]: je pige que dalle a cette partie
MavHunterZ [4k\]: l2?
Dar00 [2d\]: ds 10 ans vachibou
MavHunterZ [4k\]: isnt that bad?
Dar00 [2d\]: :p
aussiemate [8k\]: m5 ?
flooder: L4
vachibou [27k?\]: 10 ans ?? pinaise ça fait long
GregHouse [2d\]: normal t 27k
wikipwnia [4k\]: h3 threatened
dragnforce [8k\]: j3 can come alive now
GregHouse [2d\]: compte 10s 10 kyu
GregHouse [2d\]: 10ansù*
bonobo03 [3k\]: N3  almost dead
Integral [-\]: m5 doesnt look a good idea now
zc3k [1k\]: b have a good chance?
Optician [1k\]: b can l4
covtxrider [15k\]: h2?
akko888 [13k\]: l4 ok
vachibou [27k?\]: un an par kyu... ouais en effet je suis pas arrivé
Dar00 [2d\]: b lost
Dar00 [2d\]: this invasion is so severe
guest992 [?\]: dar w is strong but wait..
GregHouse [2d\]: agree
GregHouse [2d\]: b h3 v
Nicl22 [3k\]: Dar00: how many points do you count for white?
GregHouse [2d\]: gote
Dar00 [2d\]: lol i never count
Dar00 [2d\]: all i have is my instinct
iancho [1d\]: b as bad aji at f18 and g5
Dar00 [2d\]: :p
sai1029 [2d\]: L 4 J 6?
iancho [1d\]: hs*
guest992 [?\]: there's no way eric didnt see k2 happening and think of it
A003 [6k\]: mingjiu is sleeping in fetus position
GregHouse [2d\]: dar00 a gameN
GregHouse [2d\]: N
GregHouse [2d\]: ?
]
;B[kp]C[Dar00 [2d\]: à 1h du matin ?
Dar00 [2d\]: lol
Dar00 [2d\]: demain ?
]
;W[lq]C[GregHouse [2d\]: ben c lond la parti la
Athanor [-\]: j'avoue
GregHouse [2d\]: on regarde la suite apres
Goprince [3d\]: what happend to pros and their good shapes
]
;B[lp]
;W[mr]C[covtxrider [15k\]: solomon, whats the time status?
flooder: is sweety in the room?
USGO1 [-\]: Eric has 10min of main time left.
Dar00 [2d\]: je comptais pas regarder la partie jusqu'à le fin ^ ^"  je bosse demain moi X)
]
;B[nr]C[guest992 [?\]: and w?
GregHouse [2d\]: et puis chui un peu ponpette ta plus de chance de me gagner
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu has 40min left.
guest992 [?\]: thx
Dar00 [2d\]: greg  plus tard dans la journée ?
covtxrider [15k\]: o3?
GregHouse [2d\]: ok ok
guest992 [?\]: this is for the corner? :)
Dar00 [2d\]: :p
loler [4d\]: is this an elimination tournament??????????
cloudo [2k\]: i could have pizza befor byo-yomi
HappyGuy [5d\]: no 5 round swiss
Nicl22 [3k\]: Wait, I didn't notice this before
Nicl22 [3k\]: white is 7p and black is 7d ama?
GregHouse [2d\]: je voulai me frotter a ton instinct lol
Dar00 [2d\]: haha
]
;W[nq]C[akko888 [13k\]: p2 will be the factor if w o3
]
;B[mp]
;W[oq]C[covtxrider [15k\]: p2
Troff [?\]: Is round 5 at 3pm or 7pm local time?
iancho [1d\]: seems a litle blunt from b
HappyGuy [5d\]: should be 7pm
HappyGuy [5d\]: as i recall from 2 years ago when i played it
GregHouse [2d\]: take h3
USGO1 [-\]: 32 players make it so that after 5 rounds one player will be 5-0, and tie-breakers are not neccesary.
vachibou [27k?\]: y'a une différence entre 7p et 7d ?
loler [4d\]: how many rounds?
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;B[js]C[Dar00 [2d\]: 7d= 7 dan amateur  
guest992 [?\]: this one is before the last
]
;W[ls]C[iancho [1d\]: why not probe at r3 first from b
Dar00 [2d\]: 7p = 7 dan pro
USGO1 [-\]: Interesting question iancho, when would you have played it?
Nicl22 [3k\]: I count 50 points for white, 55 black
akko888 [13k\]: j1
covtxrider [15k\]: o6
sai1029 [2d\]: se likes w a lot
Dar00 [2d\]: yea lol
Nicl22 [3k\]: game is closer than I thought, I completely misjudged this situation at the bottom
OgrzesiekO [4k\]: :D
loler [4d\]: se good
loler [4d\]: so strong
sai1029 [2d\]: b actually got reduce himself a lot
MXHero [3d\]: j1 seemed better than k1
igoyametai [4d\]: g6 
Dar00 [2d\]: and L4 not alive yet
sai1029 [2d\]: totally got me there 
guest992 [?\]: well it made the right so much stronger..
pouette [1d\]: 8 points komi ?
iancho [1d\]: i have a bad feeling about b's aji at the top
guest992 [?\]: good point mx
flooder: r7??
guest992 [?\]: would be great
sai1029 [2d\]: how much time left for the players
sai1029 [2d\]: eric left
Caribe [4k\]: 6 mins for b
Dar00 [2d\]: "pouette pouette camembert !"
USGO1 [-\]: Eric has stepped away from the game
sai1029 [2d\]: where did he go
USGO1 [-\]: now he's back.
vachibou [27k?\]: donc, là c'est un amateur face a un pro ? l'amateur a auune chance si ?
sai1029 [2d\]: he hurt his wirst maybe
sai1029 [2d\]: haha
firewolf07 [3k\]: is it just me or does it seem like white can live om how in the upper lefte
firewolf07 [3k\]: *some how
sai1029 [2d\]: jsut u
Fiara [4k\]: Well there's always ko.
Dar00 [2d\]: bah la plupart du temps non   mais il peut y avoir des surprises quelque fois
Nicl22 [3k\]: vachibou: it depends. All ranks of pro, from 1p to 9p, are approximately 8d in terms of amateur ranks. 
Athanor [-\]: no ko
vachibou [27k?\]: ha oki
loler [4d\]: no
loler [4d\]: pro is 9d
loler [4d\]: or better
kostuek [-\]: r7
Athanor [-\]: 7p is better than 7d for sure
flooder: no
loler [4d\]: yes
Caribe [4k\]: is there a 9p?
Nicl22 [3k\]: Athanor: but not by two stones
Fiara [4k\]: Lies..
Caribe [4k\]: or 10p?
Iyas [4k?\]: Pro just means they have a lisence that says they're a pro
sai1029 [2d\]: how long was the game so far, i felt like i 've been watching this for a half day already
Dar00 [2d\]: u guys can understand french ?
guest992 [?\]: this 7d is also 9d here
Fiara [4k\]: The only pro is judan
Athanor [-\]: not by two stones, agree
guest992 [?\]: 7d is just the max
MavHunterZ [4k\]: there can be only 1 10p
Athanor [-\]: one stone maybe? average
Nicl22 [3k\]: That's why I said pro's are approx 8d in terms of amateur ranks 
MavHunterZ [4k\]: 10p is like the highlander
akko888 [13k\]: o1 p2 j1 p1 l1?
Nicl22 [3k\]: highest amateur rank being 7d
knoxville [1k\]: who is leading??
sai1029 [2d\]: w
Athanor [-\]: h3 sucks for b
MavHunterZ [4k\]: right now white is leading but its blacks move
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;B[km]C[weirdchess [2k\]: akko, o1 p2 j1 l1 for w
Athanor [-\]: losing sente sucks also
guest992 [?\]: nickl it makes sense since ama do give handi based on rank diff, pros dont :)
flooder: b wants to protect h3 in sente
]
;W[kn]C[Nicl22 [3k\]: guest992: that's because the top pro is at most a stone stronger than the weakest pro. All the pros are on a sick high level
guest992 [?\]: not a stone but a couple but yes
weirdchess [2k\]: i would guess 2 stones between a 1p and lee sedol
guest992 [?\]: we know their ranks are meanningless titles...
]
;B[kl]C[sai1029 [2d\]: more than that
MrTortoise [5k\]: can j3 escape?
sai1029 [2d\]: lee sedol can give 4 stone to some 1p
sai1029 [2d\]: i am sure
guest992 [?\]: yes i would say 2h may not always suffice
]
;W[jn]C[CBlue [3d?\]: there is a book containing pro vs pro handicap games i think, by kageyama or so ^^ so it's a bit older though..
Nicl22 [3k\]: 1p is far from weakest pro, pro dans aren't given based on rating. Many 1p are stronger than 5p
Caribe [4k\]: how does a p player promote to +1p?
sai1029 [2d\]: thaz y i said some 1 p
srrp: b done
sai1029 [2d\]: but u needa consider lee sedol's strength too
Nicl22 [3k\]: sai1029: no 1p will lose with 4 stones
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;B[jm]C[guest992 [?\]: b maybe g5 there?
guest992 [?\]: or g6?
sai1029 [2d\]: 3 stones then?
Nicl22 [3k\]: two stones is already pushing it
sai1029 [2d\]: shrugs
flooder: h3 still severe
Nicl22 [3k\]: he will lose on 3 stones maybe 10% of the time, being a 9-1 favorite I'd guess
guest111: black is winning
flooder: all in for w
sai1029 [2d\]: h 3 aji later
flooder: i guess the game is decided within 30 moves
guest992 [?\]: guest, are you certain?
MrTortoise [5k\]: b in trouble
sai1029 [2d\]: yea b in trouble soon
sai1029 [2d\]: w can always connect with d 6 groups
flooder: i vote for b +resign
sai1029 [2d\]: flooder u needa base on something to say that tho
sai1029 [2d\]: don't just say it randomly
flooder: instinct
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;W[in]C[loler [4d\]: lol
guest992 [?\]: g6 ?
guest111: b h8 cut is severe
loler [4d\]: im loling
]
;B[fp]C[guest992 [?\]: oh ok still good to cover j3..
flooder: h3 protected
sai1029 [2d\]: g2
josette [1d\]: w is scary
sai1029 [2d\]: maybe
guest992 [?\]: i'm not sure if it's safe or peaceful..
flooder: m6 senteish now
sai1029 [2d\]: g2 looks sexy to me
igoyametai [4d\]: q7 
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu readjusts j3, surveys the bottom, now is looking all over the board.
Nicl22 [3k\]: Is f5 automatic answer now, or is black going to take sente
guest111: curtis said black is winning
USGO1 [-\]: He seems focused on the o6 area.
USGO1 [-\]: What is white's next move?
akko888 [13k\]: g2 f1
Remember [1k\]: p8
guest992 [?\]: q8? ;p
sai1029 [2d\]: g2
zc3k [1k\]: F4 beautiful?
weirdchess [2k\]: p8 is too far: p8 q9 q8 r10 is big.  q8 is better
sai1029 [2d\]: g2
akko888 [13k\]: g2 f1
sai1029 [2d\]: or itf it is somewhere on the right i t will be q 8
Remember [1k\]: q9 is a basic mistake, pushing your head against 2 stones
Remember [1k\]: q9 r10, then wh at weirdchess
weirdchess [2k\]: then q8 and w's moyo is busted
Remember [1k\]: you know what i mean
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;AW[pm]
;B[hl]C[sai1029 [2d\]: dam one stone away
MavHunterZ [4k\]: ye intgral
bigfatcat [1d?\]: hmm....
Integral [-\]: thx
guest992 [?\]: oh noes, this eric :)
debutgow [8k\]: black are alive group g3?
guest992 [?\]: yes
MavHunterZ [4k\]: as a matter of fact you can watch the video of the 2 players as we speak
USGO1 [-\]: No one called this move, did they?
debutgow [8k\]: white cant play h3?
guest992 [?\]: nope
Goprince [3d\]: no looks very nice
]
;W[gl]
;B[il]C[sai1029 [2d\]: i called g 8 lol
bigfatcat [1d?\]: h8 kind of standard
sai1029 [2d\]: but it is bad haha
Troff [?\]: H3 is a ladder because of f4
akko888 [13k\]: was thinking h8 but did not say D:
zc3k [1k\]: H8 very sexy
bigfatcat [1d?\]: h8 standard
MavHunterZ [4k\]: hmm this is looking bad here
guest992 [?\]: i don't know isn't it a little smal now? ^^* but it does secure the black middle beyound any doubt
guest992 [?\]: if there ever was one..
coOooL [3k\]: oddly sexy ...
Dar00 [2d\]: w probably saw it 20 moves ago
bigfatcat [1d?\]: standard
guest992 [?\]: thx cooool :)
Nicl22 [3k\]: G5 sente against bottom group?
coOooL [3k\]: :)
cloudo [2k\]: h8 is so special
Dar00 [2d\]: it's not small guest992
covtxrider [15k\]: o6
Nicl22 [3k\]: eh, it captures one stone, big deal ;)
Integral [-\]: g5 looks like sente
guest992 [?\]: yes maybe it's appropriate for the heat, dar00
Optician [1k\]: I thought someone said the cut at h8 is severe
guest111: black cut G7 sente
Integral [-\]: not if white G5 before
guest111: and will swallow bottom white
guest111: white has no chance now
kyyni [3k\]: :D
]
;W[gj]C[Integral [-\]: if all bottom black group die and center white dies too
Integral [-\]: black is doing a good trade?
guest992 [?\]: guest you just said b has no chance, plz decide ;)
cloudo [2k\]: cuut
sai1029 [2d\]: will b cut i wonder
USGO1 [-\]: Eric is in Byo-Yomi now.
akko888 [13k\]: f9
sai1029 [2d\]: uh oh
Integral [-\]: im supposing
guest111: G12 first
MavHunterZ [4k\]: time for timesuji
kyyni [3k\]: how much time does jiang have?
sai1029 [2d\]: f9 looks right
flooder: g7
sai1029 [2d\]: f9 first
Integral [-\]: whre are you watching this game?
sai1029 [2d\]: g 7 will not be first
flooder: f9 is thank you move
sai1029 [2d\]: 100%
A003 [6k\]: eric picking nose and place a stone in g7
Dar00 [2d\]: w wants to play F9 in sente  and capture G7 cutting stone in getta
pototo120 [6k\]: g12
MavHunterZ [4k\]: usgo please give the linik again for integral
akko888 [13k\]: getta?
USGO1 [-\]: Eric has 4 byo-yomi periods left.
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;B[fk]C[Athanor [-\]: geta doesn't work
sai1029 [2d\]: see
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;W[gk]C[Integral [-\]: please
liebesleid [2d\]: f6 or something soon?
USGO1 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
Athanor [-\]: g7
Integral [-\]: thank you
guest111: g7 cut now
sai1029 [2d\]: i still worry about b 's bottom group
Dar00 [2d\]: getta does work  otherwise  w invade left border
sai1029 [2d\]: as b that is
kyyni [3k\]: mingjiu is my hero
guest111: or G12 first
igoyametai [4d\]: W is alive with g12 g15 j10 
USGO1 [-\]: There are only two games left in the room now. It's silent except for the clock counting time.
flooder: w g5 is nasty
akko888 [13k\]: g7 what purpose for g7?
loler [4d\]: cut
loler [4d\]: cut
loler [4d\]: cut
loler [4d\]: cut
covtxrider [15k\]: drama
covtxrider [15k\]: it was a dark and stormy night
Dar00 [2d\]: stop loling
guest992 [?\]: this game must be taking it's toll on both ^^*
loler [4d\]: im loling
db [4k\]: g12 now?
USGO1 [-\]: Eric 3 periods left.
weirdchess [2k\]: g7 already
indianayk [4d\]: b needs to cut since he is behind
cloudo [2k\]: mensch eric
flooder: g7 and trying to exchange j2+h3 for L6
akko888 [13k\]: i dont know if g7 will really cut
LetItGo [3d\]: i agree
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;B[gh]C[LetItGo [3d\]: cut
Dar00 [2d\]: so when u r behind indianayk u cut everything ?
debutgow [8k\]: 2:00/byo?
MrPopCorn [7k\]: kiiiil !
guest111: now b is ahead
loler [4d\]: come on
USGO1 [-\]: 1min byo
loler [4d\]: lost chance to g7
guest992 [?\]: dar00, take notes, it's your path to 4dan-dom :)
weirdchess [2k\]: w f6
NYNY [3d\]: G5
Dar00 [2d\]: hehe  maybe :p
guest992 [?\]: i made a big CUT sticker ^^
akko888 [13k\]: n14
sai1029 [2d\]: e 5
sai1029 [2d\]: is interesting to me
Integral [-\]: watching here is waaay better
Integral [-\]: :P
Dar00 [2d\]: lol u get the integral
Integral [-\]: ^^
MavHunterZ [4k\]: yeah the video is to see how the players are reacting to each other moves etc etc
sai1029 [2d\]: f 12
flooder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIqw4k2fDr8&feature=related
sai1029 [2d\]: f 12 is good
flooder: amazing skillz
sai1029 [2d\]: for w
weirdchess [2k\]: f12 doesnt work tactically, does it??
sai1029 [2d\]: works to me
reprisal [3d\]: they both look like they want to fall asleep
sai1029 [2d\]: me too
sai1029 [2d\]: i wanna fall asleep
weirdchess [2k\]: f12 g11 ?
covtxrider [15k\]: w+time
sai1029 [2d\]: g 15
MavHunterZ [4k\]: yes give me sequence please
sai1029 [2d\]: f 12 g 11 g 15
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;W[go]C[sai1029 [2d\]: read it urself
sai1029 [2d\]: ?
akko888 [13k\]: f12 f11 g15 b dead
MavHunterZ [4k\]: ah
sai1029 [2d\]: w aiming for bottom
sai1029 [2d\]: not bad
weirdchess [2k\]: wow cool tesuji
NYNY [3d\]: how much time does MingJiu have?
sai1029 [2d\]: g 2
USGO1 [-\]: This stone came down like a hammer.
NYNY [3d\]: nice:)
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu has 25min of basic time.
NYNY [3d\]: thx
sai1029 [2d\]: b have to responpond
Daniel1987 [7k\]: f5
Daniel1987 [7k\]: ?
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;B[fo]C[Daniel1987 [7k\]: :D
akko888 [13k\]: o!
Athanor [-\]: b wanna kill all
guest111: w is in big trouble
guest111: couldn't connect G11 now
flooder: n6?
guest992 [?\]: not sure if it's kill all as much as not be passive atm..
Loket: o6 
guest111: all white will be dead
topfar [1d\]: w n6!
HappyGuy [5d\]: what happen to jie li
HappyGuy [5d\]: he haven't play at open for a while
sai1029 [2d\]: just g 6
sai1029 [2d\]: if b does not respond
sai1029 [2d\]: then g2
sai1029 [2d\]: if b respond then f 12
Daniel1987 [7k\]: h5..i think
sai1029 [2d\]: g 6 better
sai1029 [2d\]: imo
Dar00 [2d\]: G6 seems good indeed
guest111: after b cut G11 white is losing
flooder: e7 n6 miai?
flooder: but m6 is big 
sai1029 [2d\]: b is like dammit " how did he pull tis one me, unforgivable"
flooder: so w n6 seems favourable
sai1029 [2d\]: w just g 6
sai1029 [2d\]: rawr
sai1029 [2d\]: acutally
sai1029 [2d\]: hm...
sai1029 [2d\]: i read one thing short
cloudo [2k\]: tell us more
Optician [1k\]: w g6 b f6
sai1029 [2d\]: b can e5
db [4k\]: h5 
sai1029 [2d\]: and atari the d 1 group
loler [4d\]: why isnt he playing
sai1029 [2d\]: n live
sai1029 [2d\]: so hm...
kostuek [-\]: f6
sai1029 [2d\]: i am too sleepy to read now, i'll let yall do the thinking
wry [?\]: e5 is nothing
wry [?\]: except sente
Dar00 [2d\]: u can't kill b sai
topfar [1d\]: w n6 IS BETTER
sai1029 [2d\]: i said b die if he ignore later
cloudo [2k\]: e5 is not even sente
USGO1 [-\]: raptor is watching now :D
sai1029 [2d\]: of course b will not die now
rmod [-\]: j7
akko888 [13k\]: e5 is sente
USGO1 [-\]: he is my hero
Dar00 [2d\]: some pics usgo1
USGO1 [-\]: mark my words, someday raptor will be sitting where Mingjiu is now
flooder: ok usgo1 maybe now is a good time to ask where they were born since I may go in some minutes
Integral [-\]: O_o
zc3k [1k\]: zc also?
USGO1 [-\]: I'm calling it 10 yrs in advance.
cloudo [2k\]: not sente
wry [?\]: oh yes it is sente
USGO1 [-\]: Or less.
loler [4d\]: who 
loler [4d\]: is
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu is grumbling.
covtxrider [15k\]: was that kellan from boulder?
loler [4d\]: raptor
wry [?\]: a3 makes a ko for life if w ignores e5
Captor [?\]: hi :D
HappyGuy [5d\]: white's group is cut off
Captor [?\]: im like raptor but  with c
akko888 [13k\]: if tenuki d4, and then the white corner may become dead
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;W[mn]C[Dar00 [2d\]: N6
Dar00 [2d\]: omg i'm too strong
Athanor [-\]: can't kill corner, whatever you try
HappyGuy [5d\]: lol Dar00
MXHero [3d\]: awesome for b
wry [?\]: a3 not d4
cloudo [2k\]: may is not enough
Dar00 [2d\]: :p
guest111: G11 is enought for b to win
Athanor [-\]: a3 a2, life
topfar [1d\]: See, sai1029?
Daniel1987 [7k\]: q8?
guest111: F7 first
wry [?\]: we are talking if b plays and w ignores athanor...
]
;B[gi]C[debutgow [8k\]: g11?
flooder: dar you just repeated me
]
;W[bb]C[debutgow [8k\]: ^^
wry [?\]: then it's ko
sai1029 [2d\]: lol
akko888 [13k\]: e5 tenukid4 c1 c3 ko
HappyGuy [5d\]: na corner first
HappyGuy [5d\]: haha
wry [?\]: b plays e5*
Optician [1k\]: b b16
fly [1d\]: I sure am glad I'm not playing this game
guest111: B16 no aji
yougotPWND [7d?\]: you're not?
MXHero [3d\]: is this actually a ko? o.O
guest992 [?\]: b spent two moves there wow didnt expect it
yougotPWND [7d?\]: there's like a few thousand bucks on the line
]
;B[bd]C[guest992 [?\]: no ko
sai1029 [2d\]: w up now?
guest111: b is winning
]
;W[fb]C[fly [1d\]: clamp!
HappyGuy [5d\]: good end game sequence
MXHero [3d\]: oh just nice endgame, gotcha
nordlab [-\]: ah
nordlab [-\]: sente endgame
A003 [6k\]: who is raptor Me?
Integral [-\]: hauhauhuahua
guest111: e17 easy
metyl: d19
Shana [4d\]: d19 falls into the trap
sai1029 [2d\]: lol
Optician [1k\]: d19 becomes ko
sai1029 [2d\]: e 17 ?
Captor [?\]: T 19!
liebesleid [2d\]: its sente moreover
USGO1 [-\]: Black 60sec x2
sai1029 [2d\]: or is tere something better
guest992 [?\]: more like makes a trap and jumps in since there's none :)
yougotPWND [7d?\]: it seems like b leading
Dar00 [2d\]: E17 seems to be the only answer
metyl: trap can backfire
sai1029 [2d\]: w has end game position
sai1029 [2d\]: while b does not
akko888 [13k\]: e19 e17 f17?  b e19?
]
;B[ec]
;W[gb]C[fly [1d\]: w thinks this is enough to win?
cloudo [2k\]: haha
zc3k [1k\]: n i wonder still i wonder who stop the rain
Dar00 [2d\]: and w finish sente  so awesome
]
;B[ea]
;W[hf]C[Captor [?\]: T 19!
MXHero [3d\]: h16 ok yeah
]
;B[gf]
;W[hd]C[sai1029 [2d\]: w has all the end game move now
MXHero [3d\]: isn't s13 very big endgame?
flooder: gote?
Athanor [-\]: no way
fly [1d\]: sure, if he doesn't mind the ko
sai1029 [2d\]: fine most end game move then
sai1029 [2d\]: not all
flooder: oh yeah no gote
liebesleid [2d\]: s13 huge
]
;B[ge]
;W[rg]C[YoseMaster [?\]: Humm yea i have to admit this upper left sequence was impressive   even for me 
zc3k [1k\]: w fast now
]
;B[rf]
;W[ng]C[USGO1 [-\]: Yes, Mingjiu slapping them down now.
sai1029 [2d\]: i wonder if both of them will sleep after the game
guest111: F7 now
MXHero [3d\]: j9
Integral [-\]: one of them is going to have nightmares
flooder: poor eric - it is his second game...
guest111: attack bottome w is easy win for black
zx6 [3k\]: se jigo :)
]
;B[nh]
;W[mg]C[topfar [1d\]: W leads a lot!
sai1029 [2d\]: i told u that w has the end game in hand
sai1029 [2d\]: b is probably like dammit now
akko888 [13k\]: n13 gote?
Illyria [2k?\]: how much time to the players have left?
]
;B[mh]
;W[mk]C[sai1029 [2d\]: they r in byomi
USGO1 [-\]: Only Eric is in byo yomi
zc3k [1k\]: too fast
Dar00 [2d\]: nice move ♥‿♥
flashback [7d\]: b wins big
cloudo [2k\]: only b
topfar [1d\]: over?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu has 15min left
MXHero [3d\]: b wins big really?
sai1029 [2d\]: b lost
flashback [7d\]: yes
sai1029 [2d\]: by 3 pts
sai1029 [2d\]: my guess
flashback [7d\]: count
guest111: b ahead at least 10 points on the board
flashback [7d\]: top left too big
sai1029 [2d\]: too sleepy to count
akko888 [13k\]: n9 seems suicidal
]
;B[mj]C[kyusanjyu: entertain us kill the group
]
;W[nk]C[fly [1d\]: b has 65ish?
MXHero [3d\]: oh you know, my brain was just assuming d18 was alive, when i was counting
MavHunterZ [4k\]: i hate those bowls
]
;B[nj]C[MXHero [3d\]: i guess i should think while i look at the stones :P
MavHunterZ [4k\]: they had the same type during the oza in 2006
]
;W[ll]C[flashback [7d\]: b over 80
sanjikun [2k\]: down right not small
MavHunterZ [4k\]: all those swizz cheeze holes
sanjikun [2k\]: close
pinkrobot [1d\]: what is komi?
]
;B[jk]C[flooder: p10
flashback [7d\]: w over 70 with komi
]
;W[od]C[zc3k [1k\]: M8 very bad
xedover [?\]: its the points white gets for going second
knoxville [1k\]: p8
weirdchess [2k\]: p16 is obv sente...
MavHunterZ [4k\]: p16 is "come one resign "move?
]
;B[qd]C[pinkrobot [1d\]: 8 pt komi?
sai1029 [2d\]: is the komi 7.5?
]
;W[ol]
;B[pk]C[weirdchess [2k\]: new zealand rules, 8 pt komi
]
;W[pj]C[Integral [-\]: 8
Morla [5d\]: you count wrong flashback
]
;B[oj]C[debutgow [8k\]: q8?
sai1029 [2d\]: q 10 baller move
Athanor [-\]: w getting points here
xedover [?\]: options -> rules
]
;W[pl]C[flashback [7d\]: m15
fly [1d\]: w has more than 80 before komi
akko888 [13k\]: t19?
pinkrobot [1d\]: b's turn to do damage
reprisal [3d\]: i counted a slight b lead
benbeckman [?\]: s11
reprisal [3d\]: not one i'd be confident of holding on to
]
;B[le]C[flashback [7d\]: in few moves game will be decided
nordlab [-\]: I keep seeing W+7 or so
nordlab [-\]: like, around komi
Fenix [?\]: b 80, w 73.5?
]
;W[md]
;B[no]C[USGO1 [-\]: I'm terribly terribly sorry... but I misclicked r7, it's q7.
nordlab [-\]: man... maybe I'm miscounting
Athanor [-\]: w has more
sai1029 [2d\]: i keep thinking w + 3.5
nordlab [-\]: I'll keep counting...
USGO1 [-\]: Or it was moved at some point o.O thought it was r7
nordlab [-\]: USGO1, can you please use the edit tool?
Dar00 [2d\]: u mean my R7 move was wrong ?!!
Prophet19 [9k\]: usgo tools>edit
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;W[gn]C[MXHero [3d\]: can't you just edit it now?
covtxrider [15k\]: does g7 seperate whit center stones?
sai1029 [2d\]: ha
Nickless [2d\]: my type is w+2.5
]
;B[gr]C[MXHero [3d\]: wait usgo, -what- r7 move? :)
USGO1 [-\]: ^_~
Athanor [-\]: h4 is big
Fenix [?\]: o6
MavHunterZ [4k\]: stop teasing the poor guy...hes probably really hungry right about now
debutgow [8k\]: w +10?
]
;W[es]C[sai1029 [2d\]: b dead
sai1029 [2d\]: maybe
jinkidie [19k?\]: wau a live independent group in the centre... never seen that before
amego [3k\]: k1 alive?
Fenix [?\]: g4
flashback [7d\]: b ok
weirdchess [2k\]: just f1
]
;B[fs]C[MXHero [3d\]: b has j1 in sente
Dar00 [2d\]: sure b's ok
sai1029 [2d\]: f3
sai1029 [2d\]: no
sai1029 [2d\]: lol
sai1029 [2d\]: h4
amego [3k\]: ok
flashback [7d\]: just game over, believe me :)
yougotPWND [7d?\]: no!
amego [3k\]: who won?\]
sai1029 [2d\]: so flashback who won
Dar00 [2d\]: b is alive
AroundOneD [2d\]: 2 eyes no problem
flashback [7d\]: b
yougotPWND [7d?\]: pro endgame will own
Optician [1k\]: h4 can be answered at g4
sai1029 [2d\]: aww
Athanor [-\]: what's your count flash?
loler [4d\]: lloll
fly [1d\]: how many points?
cloudo [2k\]: raaa#
flashback [7d\]: at least 5 for sure
sai1029 [2d\]: did u include komi?
fly [1d\]: I have w by 4
flashback [7d\]: didnt forget ;)
fly [1d\]: (but I can't count!)
aussiemate [8k\]: SE(which is infallible) thinks upper R Black group dead!
Dar00 [2d\]: lol flashback too strong @_@
weirdchess [2k\]: w+5 or so
bstem: it's said that pros can get 10 back from nothing
miao [6d\]: not against 7d
loler [4d\]: pro always wins
reprisal [3d\]: it is also said they dont end up 10 down in the midgame
sai1029 [2d\]: well eric lui is like a 8d amature tho
sai1029 [2d\]: or 9d
yougotPWND [7d?\]: w is actually leading by 3-4 points
weirdchess [2k\]: 12d
guest111: b wins a lot
miao [6d\]: 8d
Dar00 [2d\]: what is eric's account on kgs ?
sai1029 [2d\]: i am gonn atick with w 3.5
nordlab [-\]: I think Eric plays in tournaments as compendium
sai1029 [2d\]: final answer
flooder: compendium
HappyGuy [5d\]: sai you are wrong
HappyGuy [5d\]: there is no half point in ing rule
topfar [1d\]: W h4?
sai1029 [2d\]: o 3 points then
loler [4d\]: lol
akko888 [13k\]: :D
AroundOneD [2d\]: b is leading
sai1029 [2d\]: 3 pooints final answer
flashback [7d\]: w gonna resign now
pinkrobot [1d\]: komi is 8pts i think
db [4k\]: is komi 8 points realy?
flooder: w wants to resign now?
fly [1d\]: how many points is L12?
nordlab [-\]: Mingjiu doesn't resign that much, flashback
]
;W[hp]C[indianayk [4d\]: w wins by 5
nordlab [-\]: I haven't seen him resign a close game before
]
;B[gp]
;W[ho]
;B[hq]C[yougotPWND [7d?\]: yes, w wins by around 5 points
flashback [7d\]: ok
SoulShadow [9k\]: komi 8 with black winning draws
amego [3k\]: b impressing
]
;W[nn]C[loler [4d\]: w+36
yougotPWND [7d?\]: 7.5 komi
sai1029 [2d\]: 2 7d saying different thing
HappyGuy [5d\]: komi is 8
yougotPWND [7d?\]: equivalent to 7.5
miao [6d\]: no
loler [4d\]: never trust a man with a questionmark in his rank
miao [6d\]: can get jigo
sai1029 [2d\]: lol
HappyGuy [5d\]: no it's not equal to 7.5
miao [6d\]: ......
Athanor [-\]: b wins ties
AroundOneD [2d\]: p5
jinkidie [19k?\]: ahem
cloudo [2k\]: or a lol in the name...
nordlab [-\]: black wins ties
HappyGuy [5d\]: 8 is 8
yougotPWND [7d?\]: questionmark? lol. if i lose a game, the ? is gone
amego [3k\]: p5
asap [6k\]: it's 8 but black wins in the event of a tie
]
;B[pi]C[sai1029 [2d\]: depends who u lose to lol
]
;W[qj]C[fly [1d\]: Isn't it impossible to tie (except with strange seki)?
Athanor [-\]: 8 + b wins ties <=> 7,5
nordlab [-\]: oh
HappyGuy [5d\]: sigh
nordlab [-\]: S11...
nordlab [-\]: I missed this endgame...
LOOOL [-\]: never trust me
nordlab [-\]: I have to recount...
Dar00 [2d\]: lol  high dans you must come to an agreement
HappyGuy [5d\]: why don't you say 8=7.9
]
;B[oo]
;W[on]C[Athanor [-\]: b wins, flash is right
coOooL [3k\]: s11
reprisal [3d\]: say it is 7.9repeating
bobombera [7k?\]: w won
reprisal [3d\]: that way you are doublecorrect!
jubjub [3k\]: will find out soon anyway
amego [3k\]: m16
yougotPWND [7d?\]: that is not equivalent, mathematically, but for go puposes, that is true
flooder: flashback play vs youget pwnd
metyl: w .5
sai1029 [2d\]: the 2 7d r confusing me to death
coOooL [3k\]: m16
anarres [3k\]: actually 7.9 repeating IS the same as 8 :p
coOooL [3k\]: s11
db [4k\]: may be Mingjiu want a draw))
USGO1 [-\]: There are no ties in Ing scoring - both players have 180 stones which means 1 territory will be open on their side after dame are filled. Score in Ing is always an odd number I think.
anarres [3k\]: unlike 7.5 or even 7.9
coOooL [3k\]: g19
]
;B[me]C[Dar00 [2d\]: ok i trust se then
AroundOneD [2d\]: r11
zardd [11k\]: w T15..
nordlab [-\]: white R13????
sai1029 [2d\]: i wish i can do a quick poll now from the viewers
lose100 [2k?\]: se only counts japanese rules, don't trust it
sai1029 [2d\]: on who is winning
coOooL [3k\]: s11 ....
yougotPWND [7d?\]: lets take a vote
AroundOneD [2d\]: g19 also good for b
yougotPWND [7d?\]: i vote for w
Dar00 [2d\]: S12
flooder: b wins
lose [4k\]: s11 gote
jinkidie [19k?\]: b +10
sai1029 [2d\]: there is no polling system here
N4KED [1d\]: white
Kenpachi [6k?\]: I vote green
copyright [2d\]: r13 
]
;W[og]C[akko888 [13k\]: b+2
Optician [1k\]: n15 is tricky
Porkypine [5k\]: rainbow is winning <3
SoulShadow [9k\]: i'm cheering for w
yougotPWND [7d?\]: right now 2-2-1 for black-white-rainbow
MavHunterZ [4k\]: no
]
;B[ke]
;W[ld]C[MavHunterZ [4k\]: its a double rainbow
nordlab [-\]: s11....
UFO [3k\]: w+3
weirdchess [2k\]: double rainbow all the way...
MavHunterZ [4k\]: what does it mean?!?!
yougotPWND [7d?\]: 4-2 w-b
sai1029 [2d\]: i am on w + 3 u know already
reprisal [2d\]: its sort of like a rainbow, but doubled
Porkypine [5k\]: Now lets change the question, who would you LIKE to win
Porkypine [5k\]: black <3
josette [1d\]: s11
akko888 [13k\]: b
Caribe [4k\]: s11 t4
yougotPWND [7d?\]: black
Dar00 [2d\]: no matter which of these 2 players win  they can be proud of their game  it's very exciting ! 
yougotPWND [7d?\]: lol
miao [6d\]: 2w-2b
yougotPWND [7d?\]: i would actually like rainbow to win
]
;B[ri]C[Athanor [-\]: j11?
]
;W[qi]
;B[rh]
;W[qg]C[akko888 [13k\]: O:
]
;B[sg]C[Porkypine [5k\]: Send your good vibes to black! 
debutgow [8k\]: big
nordlab [-\]: Ok
jinkidie [19k?\]: omg
]
;W[rj]C[nordlab [-\]: Black's winning
nordlab [-\]: definitely
]
;B[sf]C[covtxrider [15k\]: t19
flashback [7d\]: this seems wrong
Athanor [-\]: b's attack at late midgame was severe
Scartol [12k\]: really? that side is big, but it's the only territory he's got
flashback [7d\]: t12 better
]
;W[aq]C[MavHunterZ [4k\]: wow comeback
fly [1d\]: I *still* have w ahead
miao [6d\]: flash now t19 possible
coOooL [3k\]: t19
flashback [7d\]: ah
flashback [7d\]: right
]
;B[ap]C[miao [6d\]: ^^
sai1029 [2d\]: it is not my fault
flashback [7d\]: eric still correct then :)
sai1029 [2d\]: i dunno y w played p 13
nordlab [-\]: G19?
reprisal [2d\]: subtle :)
yougotPWND [7d?\]: learn to count people!
LOOOL [-\]: t19 for b ?
miao [6d\]: hehe yeah 
sai1029 [2d\]: i blame mingju o 13
Dar00 [2d\]: is T19 a high dan joke ? @_@
nordlab [-\]: I like G19 more than T19
nordlab [-\]: right now
flashback [7d\]: g19 also big for b
flooder: miao who wins?
sai1029 [2d\]: i mean p 13
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu tsks and shakes his head.
fly [1d\]: PWN: what's the score?
loler [4d\]: t19 points
sai1029 [2d\]: blame minju p 13
sai1029 [2d\]: losing moves
flooder: kghin?
AroundOneD [2d\]: after s11, b may win for sure
cloudo [2k\]: f17 goo
coOooL [3k\]: f7 or g19
copyright [2d\]: f17 
Kenpachi [6k?\]: black *may* win for sure?
fly [1d\]: w has 80?
amego [3k\]: is b winning?
nordlab [-\]: I'm pretty certain now
topfar [1d\]: W m13?
nordlab [-\]: that black is winning
jubjub [3k\]: "may" and "for sure" don't go together well
Dar00 [2d\]: k since  even high dans do not agree about result   i will have to count
Kenpachi [6k?\]: that's for sure :P
Illiterate [5k\]: I still count W+3 before komi
Porkypine [5k\]: sure may and sure go together well
jinkidie [19k?\]: I think he meant i tis cerain he has a chance
Porkypine [5k\]: see what I did there?
indianayk [4d\]: s12 was huge
akko888 [13k\]: could try c12 invade xD?
]
;W[kg]C[Talus [13k\]: im seeing a possibility earlier for w to go m13 and reduce that invasion- maybe not in sente though
]
;B[lg]
;W[jg]C[flooder: j11
coOooL [3k\]: j11
covtxrider [15k\]: f7
weirdchess [2k\]: j11
Dar00 [2d\]: macisajt  u r the only left !  tell us who win   u will change the balance 
jubjub [3k\]: then you could just say may
singleCPU [5d\]: seems b winning
topfar [1d\]: W+0.5!
Optician [1k\]: b g19 is quite big
fly [1d\]: how many point?
]
;B[ne]C[amego [3k\]: j11?
]
;W[kh]C[flashback [7d\]: hm g19 only 2 pts at gote
]
;B[ki]C[nordlab [-\]: Wow.. this is so close right now...
flashback [7d\]: not that big as i thought
jfksd: how much time do they have left?^^
]
;W[ph]C[Porkypine [5k\]: Who is the little guy?
Snorlaxx [2d?\]: f19 big
MrPopCorn [7k\]: black did a good job
nordlab [-\]: G19 for black is huge...
sai1029 [2d\]: ok i give up
flooder: the little guy will explain them their mistakes after the game
loler [4d\]: lol
sai1029 [2d\]: who is the little guy
]
;B[oi]C[loler [4d\]: he is pro
Dar00 [2d\]: is their a video broadcast ?
loler [4d\]: 3p
akko888 [13k\]: i keep trying to read g19 but dont get it.  f7 better?
]
;W[ij]C[akko888 [13k\]: f17*
stoneman [4d\]: who leads now?
sai1029 [2d\]: that kid is pro
sai1029 [2d\]: plz....
sai1029 [2d\]: lol
Gould [2k\]: w
N4KED [1d\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
]
;B[ji]C[Dar00 [2d\]: tx
flashback [7d\]: i should play j10 before
sai1029 [2d\]: a woman took him away
flashback [7d\]: *b
weirdchess [2k\]: the kid is aaron ye, 2k
copyright [2d\]: f17 
]
;W[sj]C[flooder: sweety is there?
cloudo [2k\]: wohu 2k
kyyni [3k\]: is there really 0.5 komi?
fujichan [-\]: yes
AroundOneD [2d\]: 80 vs 65 on board, b is leading 15 points
]
;B[sh]C[N4KED [1d\]: m10
topfar [1d\]: W wins!
sai1029 [2d\]: how do u resign in those games
sai1029 [2d\]: do u just say it
Snorlaxx [2d?\]: w has like 84
HappyGuy [5d\]: you can do it many way
Porkypine [5k\]: place two stones on the board
sai1029 [2d\]: o
jinkidie [19k?\]: You push the other player over.
HappyGuy [5d\]: 2 stone is easiest way
nordlab [-\]: self disembowelment was the traditional way
topfar [1d\]: E8?
flashback [7d\]: it will be closer than i thought, may it be by other rules?
amego [3k\]: how big is e7?
Porkypine [5k\]: I've seen ilya do it. such a polite way to resign
sai1029 [2d\]: the little kid made the video interesting to watch
]
;W[ob]C[HappyGuy [5d\]: e7 2 poitns
flashback [7d\]: if i correct SE i got little diff result
stoneman [4d\]: oh, Eric is such a cool dude
nordlab [-\]: G19...
]
;B[fa]C[nordlab [-\]: oh, F19?
xedover [?\]: se doesn't do non-japanese rules
]
;W[hb]C[aussiemate [8k\]: f8 
TomGo [1d?\]: b+1?
]
;B[ga]
;W[ha]C[xedover [?\]: view offline, and change the rule to japanese
nordlab [-\]: well... G19 then..
]
;B[lo]
;W[ln]C[zardd [11k\]: the rule is japnese or what?
uniquename [3k\]: f19 ended with the same result as g19, but sente
covtxrider [15k\]: this is ing scoring, no?
stoneman [4d\]: who is that little kid?
debutgow [8k\]: p4 +1
]
;B[eo]
;W[dp]C[coOooL [3k\]: f7
xedover [?\]: Ing (New Zealand) rules
Snorlaxx [2d?\]: F 7?
ogokon [4k?\]: All scoring systems give the same result, more or less.
flashback [7d\]: f7
Athanor [-\]: dame counts
zardd [11k\]: so se is right?
]
;B[op]
;W[pp]
;B[je]
;W[jd]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: e8
weirdchess [2k\]: f7 big
covtxrider [15k\]: he must be pro, he has a woman
stoneman [4d\]: oh, i see a girl there
akko888 [13k\]: f7 is nice
fly [1d\]: was that sweety?
]
;B[ii]
;W[hj]C[Dar00 [2d\]: why not E8 ?
coOooL [3k\]: f7,g7,f8 ...
weirdchess [2k\]: b f7 then f8 is more points
HappyGuy [5d\]: black +9?
lose100 [2k?\]: d3 short of liberties
akko888 [13k\]: f7 threatens g8 as well
]
;B[fl]
;W[fc]
;B[fd]C[debutgow [8k\]: f7 sente
stoneman [4d\]: how about the game played by Huiren Yang?
sai1029 [2d\]: b need to m 10 later?
HappyGuy [5d\]: 8points i mean
flashback [7d\]: ok, i was right
stoneman [4d\]: did he win?
HappyGuy [5d\]: black ahead by 8 i think
sai1029 [2d\]: b need to m 10 very very later?
flashback [7d\]: just corrected SE not correctly
sai1029 [2d\]: i'll laugh if eric missed that later
HappyGuy [5d\]: or 7 if need m10
]
;W[em]C[covtxrider [15k\]: n14
akko888 [13k\]: f7 now
nordlab [-\]: f7
nordlab [-\]: then E6
weirdchess [2k\]: f7 before e8
nordlab [-\]: for shortage of libs
]
;B[fm]C[amego [3k\]: f7
]
;W[gm]C[kyyni [3k\]: can anyone tell me why these games are played without komi?
weirdchess [2k\]: very good
coOooL [3k\]: g8
Fenix [?\]: b 80, w 70.5
coOooL [3k\]: **
buzzsaw [7k?\]: there is komi
]
;B[en]
;W[dm]C[kyyni [3k\]: oh, i see
]
;B[el]C[nordlab [-\]: capture in sente
]
;W[cs]C[xedover [?\]: kyyni, they're not
HappyGuy [5d\]: black plus 7
nordlab [-\]: O14
HappyGuy [5d\]: final verdict
HappyGuy [5d\]: but i am always wrong
debutgow [8k\]: finish
nordlab [-\]: I agree, Happy
nordlab [-\]: that's what I got
]
;B[im]
;W[io]
;B[is]
;W[ks]
;B[nf]C[covtxrider [15k\]: n14 1 point for black?
]
;W[qa]C[Fenix [?\]: b 82 now :-p
Athanor [-\]: dame left
akko888 [13k\]: c12 in desperation?
]
;B[lj]C[sai1029 [2d\]: w is fishing b
]
;W[nd]C[sai1029 [2d\]: nvm
]
;B[lf]
;W[of]
;B[mf]
;W[si]
;B[sa]
;W[mo]
;B[np]
;W[jo]
;B[iq]
;W[ko]C[Caribe [4k\]: t16
]
;B[fn]
;W[jf]C[sai1029 [2d\]: lol
buzzsaw [7k?\]: very fast now
Caribe [4k\]: oops sorry
akko888 [13k\]: t16 t15
Fenix [?\]: w 76.5
]
;B[ik]C[Dar00 [2d\]: eric won a 7p !!!!!!!
Fenix [?\]: -> b  + 5.5
Dar00 [2d\]: how cool
]
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asap [6k\]: thats the pro-killer for ya
USGO1 [-\]: They're scoring the game now.
Ulti [2k?\]: i don't know how to tell you this, but eric is good
fairgo1 [2d\]: Eric Won?
sai1029 [2d\]: i dunno how to count except japanese rule
topfar [1d\]: B+4?
sai1029 [2d\]: they count fast
buzzsaw [7k?\]: I remember eric when he was just little
Ingognito [9k\]: a great game
Vinicius [1d\]: +7
HappyGuy [5d\]: it would be odd
HappyGuy [5d\]: cuz black play last
loler [4d\]: omg
coOooL [3k\]: B win
Porkypine [5k\]: eric is bigbadwolf right?
Fenix [?\]: no
xedover [?\]: no
Porkypine [5k\]: ;_; who is he
loler [4d\]: no
Fenix [?\]: bbw is andy liu
weirdchess [2k\]: andy liu is bigbadwolf
Eizero [3k\]: no
sai1029 [2d\]: this is the 4th time already lol
fairgo1 [2d\]: Compendium
loler [4d\]: he is pianist
Porkypine [5k\]: oh I see
Porkypine [5k\]: coolbeans
jinkidie [19k?\]: did I call it or what :)
USGO1 [-\]: B+7
buzzsaw [7k?\]: nice
amego [3k\]: where is Eric from?
fujichan [-\]: gg
weirdchess [2k\]: great game
xedover [?\]: thanks usgo1
fairgo1 [2d\]: Woot! Go Eric!
Dar00 [2d\]: huhu
asap [6k\]: the 7dan amateur beat the 7dan proffesional
nordlab [-\]: awesome
loler [4d\]: omg
xedover [?\]: congrats Eric
Dar00 [2d\]: GREAT GAME !!!!!!!! 
AroundOneD [2d\]: see, 15-8=7
loler [4d\]: im loling
loler [4d\]: lol
MrPopCorn [7k\]: ouch, congratulations to eric
buzzsaw [7k?\]: is there only one more game?
HappyGuy [5d\]: ike i say black +7
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks for watching!
cloudo [3k\]: nice i can be king of the world
aussiemate [8k\]: book called "Eric, or Little be Little" about a boy who (horrors) started smoking and went on to worse!
Dar00 [2d\]: stop loling loler looool
AroundOneD [2d\]: thanks
loler [4d\]: lol
sai1029 [2d\]: they r cleaning up now
au2 [2d?\]: thanks USGO1
loler [4d\]: i never stop loling
UFO [3k\]: thanks usgo1
au2 [2d?\]: good job
Futuring [?\]: Thanks USGO!
MrPopCorn [7k\]: thats no .5 komi ?
USGO1 [-\]: We'll continue our coverage of the US Open tomorrow morning at 9am, and the final round of the NAIM tomorrow night at 7pm
cloudo [3k\]: no
akko888 [13k\]: ty usgo
buzzsaw [7k?\]: who does eric play?
sai1029 [2d\]: gonna sleep now
buzzsaw [7k?\]: tomorrow?
Dar00 [2d\]: French time ?
Porkypine [5k\]: so  looks like it's about time for eric to go become pro then
flooder: they do not shake hands or say congrats?
USGO1 [-\]: There will be live commentary of round 5 by Hane Yasumasa 9p, beginning at 7:30pm tomorrow.
Porkypine [5k\]: sweet!
Dar00 [2d\]: french time ?!
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